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Old 05-02-2019, 06:48 PM   #1
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Exclamation Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

obviously his bread and butter is the 3pt shot but whenever Curry has increased the volume on his midrange shots he has always exceeded MJ.
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Old 05-02-2019, 06:59 PM   #2
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Default Re: Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

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Midrange percentage from nba.com

Jordan 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga

Curry. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
Curry. 2016: 42.5%, 200 fga
Curry. 2017: 45.2%, 221 fga
Curry. 2018: 60.0%, 130 fga
Curry. 2019: 43.4%, 185 fga

https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/...gular%20Season




Curry nowhere near mj




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Old 05-02-2019, 07:02 PM   #3
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Default Re: Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

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Midrange percentage from nba.com

Jordan 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
Curry. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
Curry. 2016: 42.5%, 200 fga
Curry. 2017: 45.2%, 221 fga
Curry. 2018: 60.0%, 130 fga
Curry. 2019: 43.4%, 185 fga

https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/...gular%20Season




Curry nowhere near mj


https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/...gular%20Season


Obviously he could be better at them if he took more of them. However he chooses to take a shot that is worth more points
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Old 05-02-2019, 07:06 PM   #4
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Default Re: Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

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Obviously he could be better at them if he took more of them. However he chooses to take a shot that is worth more points


You really using the "If Jordan took more threes he would be a better 3 point shooter" logic here? For obvious reasons...thats funny.
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Old 05-02-2019, 07:18 PM   #5
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You really using the "If Jordan took more threes he would be a better 3 point shooter" logic here? For obvious reasons...thats funny.
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:05 PM   #6
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Default Re: Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

Curry's a better shooter than Jordan and his career mid-range numbers speak for themselves and his mid-range numbers would be a lot better if that's actually what the offense set him up to do, as the Bulls did with MJ.

1997 was also the last year of the shortened 3-point line.

Sadly, we don't have the data available for Jordan, so we can't really go by any stats, other than a few seasons late in his career.

1998 RS: 43.2% 1,101 FGA, Playoffs 39.8% 299 FGA
2002 RS: 41.3% 903 FGA
2003 RS: 43.3% 1,056 FGA

1997 he actually shot 48.9% and not 49.3%, he also shot 40.7% on 305 FGA in the POs the same year.

You can see that Steph shot it at a similar level when he took them at a higher volume in some of his earlier years though.

2011: 48.8% 379 FGA
2014: 48.7% 409 FGA

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Old 05-02-2019, 08:16 PM   #7
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Curry's a better shooter than Jordan and his career mid-range numbers speak for themselves and his mid-range numbers would be a lot better if that's actually what the offense set him up to do, as the Bulls did with MJ.

1997 was also the last year of the shortened 3-point line.

Sadly, we don't have the data available for Jordan, so we can't really go by any stats, other than a few seasons late in his career.

1998 RS: 43.2% 1,101 FGA
2002 RS: 41.3% 903 FGA
2003 RS: 43.3% 1,056 FGA

1997 he actually shot 48.9% and not 49.3%.
First of all, Curry needs to be "open" or "wide open" for over 80% of his threes:


2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


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Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
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Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want



So while curry needs space to shoot threes, mid-range players must convert with defenders draped all over, so they need special height (dirk/durant) or athleticism (MJ/Kobe) to convert those shots






So Curry wouldn't have the room he needs to shoot a lot of midrange... Secondly, if we go by distance, MJ destroys curry the same way...

And look at the volume...
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:24 PM   #8
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[b][size="3"]First of all, Curry needs to be "open" or "wide open" for over 80% of his threes:

Found this interesting stat on the nba.com page

Field Goals Made Unassisted

Mid-Range, Jordan

1997 RS: 45.2%
1998 RS: 46.2%

Over half of his mid-range shots were assisted

Let's compare it to some of Curry's seasons

2011 RS: 68.6%
2014 RS: 81.9%
2015 RS: 68.4%
2016 RS: 67.1%
2017 RS: 66.0%

I'm not going to get into 3s though, it's how the Warriors play and Steph shoots them off ball movement a lot, he gets a lot of wide open 3s but he's been a consistent 3PT shooter all his career.
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:26 PM   #9
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Default Re: Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

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Found this interesting stat on the nba.com page

Field Goals Made Unassisted

Mid-Range, Jordan

1997 RS: 45.2%
1998 RS: 46.2%

Over half of his mid-range shots were assisted

Let's compare it to some of Curry's seasons

2011 RS: 68.6%
2014 RS: 81.9%
2015 RS: 68.4%
2016 RS: 67.1%
2017 RS: 66.0%

I'm not going to get into 3s though, it's how the Warriors play and Steph shoots them off ball movement a lot, he gets a lot of wide open 3s but he's always been a great 3PT shooter no matter who's been on his team. He's great at getting wide open, as we know.
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Default Re: Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

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Found this interesting stat on the nba.com page

Field Goals Made Unassisted

Mid-Range, Jordan

1997 RS: 45.2%
1998 RS: 46.2%

Over half of his mid-range shots were assisted

Let's compare it to some of Curry's seasons

2011 RS: 68.6%
2014 RS: 81.9%
2015 RS: 68.4%
2016 RS: 67.1%
2017 RS: 66.0%

I'm not going to get into 3s though, it's how the Warriors play and Steph shoots them off ball movement a lot, he gets a lot of wide open 3s but he's been a consistent 3PT shooter all his career.


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Old 05-02-2019, 08:35 PM   #11
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Default Re: Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

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First of all, Curry needs to be "open" or "wide open" for over 80% of his threes:


2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


Curry





Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
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Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want



So while curry needs space to shoot threes, mid-range players must convert with defenders draped all over, so they need special height (dirk/durant) or athleticism (MJ/Kobe) to convert those shots






So Curry wouldn't have the room he needs to shoot a lot of midrange... Secondly, if we go by distance, MJ destroys curry the same way...

And look at the volume...

Curry actually doesnt need tons of space to get a shot off. He has one of the quickest releases in NBA history and takes some.of the hardest 3pt attempts too. Him being open on some of his 3s is due to his all time great off ball movement and good use of screens, combined with a range that extends all the way to half court making it harder to contest him.
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:47 PM   #12
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Curry actually doesnt need tons of space to get a shot off. He has one of the quickest releases in NBA history and takes some.of the hardest 3pt attempts too. Him being open on some of his 3s is due to his all time great off ball movement and good use of screens, combined with a range that extends all the way to half court making it harder to contest him.
the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots 80% of threes as either "open" or "wide open"

You guys are just making excuses
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:52 PM   #13
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3ball wins again.
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This might be one of the most idiotic threads yet. Never mind the stats which say mj is better. If you can't tell mj is much better in the mid range just by watching them then you know nothing about ball.
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