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Old 02-05-2012, 06:07 AM   #76
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I think two things need to be established:

1. What range does the OP mean?

2. Does the skill, athletic ability, and craftiness come into the equation?

Cause if the three ball and deep range is a major factor, then guys like MJ shouldn't be included. It needs to be the pure shooter type guys who are ALSO great scorers. Like Bird, West, Peja, Rice, Allen, Sam Jones, Dirk, Ellis, etc.

But if the criteria is for guys that are SICK in that 15-18 midrange game then that REALLY opens it up. Often times in that range u have great slashers who are also great scorers. Gervin was a GREAT SLASHER, POST UP, AND MIDRANGE GUY at 6'7. He was ahead of his time and really was a look to the future at SG. Guys like MJ and Kobe are just like this. Ask both of them and I GUARANTEE they will cite the Iceman as an influence in that sense. MJ and Kobe had enough of that in their arsenal to be considered in this race. In other words, if u got Gervin, u gotta have MJ and Kobe in this race. Gervin is more known for his slashing and finger rolls than this jumper. Even though he was great at both and students of the game know this.
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:07 PM   #77
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I think over time certain guys evolve to where they use the perimeter J more. U said outside of 15 feet, so MJ, Kobe, King, and English still have to be included. Even if it is a 15.5 jumper, it's still outside of 15 feet. Those four were killing from that range and even further out. And guys like MJ, Kobe, and King could also slash with the best too. So defense would have to play them for the drive as well. Which made those perimeter J's even more deadly. U had no answer for a MJ, Kobe, and King in that regard.

A guy like MJ is more devastating because he was a primo slasher AND midrange shooter all in one. And with freakish athletic ability on top of it. The array of footwork, fakes, etc. NEEDS to be included in this discussion. It can't just be catch and shoot. Even though MJ and Kobe could catch and shoot too.

To be frank, Gervin was a precursor to some things MJ and Kobe did down the road. I've heard Kobe say he studied the Iceman. The thing is MJ took traits of Iceman, Thompson, and Dr. J and combined them into an epic scoring arsenal. If u know the game, u saw traits of Gervin in a Jordan and Kobe as time went on. Guys like T Mac and Durant used the Gervin style even more often.
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Absolutely. Iceman was the full offensive package (although his D was always shaky)

And yeah it was his slashing that kept his defenders back on their heels.... for the easy midrange splash.

Wade also has a similar slash style to Gervin, same mastery of the finger roll

totally agree
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:41 PM   #78
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Larry Bird
Michael Jordan

See how easy that was

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Old 02-05-2012, 01:24 PM   #79
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Almost everybody on here ignored what you asked.... they all got Jordan but that's decrepit thinking.

He got his points on drives the majority of his career. His career 3pt% is 32.7%, and the only way he ever shot 3s over 40% on a season was when they shortened the 3 line by 2 feet. Several guys have estimated that 50% of MJ's points came from within 16 feet, but I know it was considerably higher than that.... because 23% of his points came from free throws - 7,300 points worth.
He was never the best PERIMETER scorer not even close. Taking nothing away from Airness whatsoever, that's just fact.

best pure perimeter scorers by decade:

'60s The Logo
'70s Iceman George Gervin
'80s Kiki VandeWeghe
'90s Reggie Miller
'00s Ray Allen

You gotta give nods to some of those 6th man guys like Steve Kerr or John Havlicek who could be insane instant offense (although Hondo was dangerous from the second he touched the ball, anywhere)

One of the few who really understood the Q.

Jordan's a good choice, but there are few better choices IMO.
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:26 PM   #81
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I think two things need to be established:

1. What range does the OP mean?

2. Does the skill, athletic ability, and craftiness come into the equation?

Cause if the three ball and deep range is a major factor, then guys like MJ shouldn't be included. It needs to be the pure shooter type guys who are ALSO great scorers. Like Bird, West, Peja, Rice, Allen, Sam Jones, Dirk, Ellis, etc.

But if the criteria is for guys that are SICK in that 15-18 midrange game then that REALLY opens it up. Often times in that range u have great slashers who are also great scorers. Gervin was a GREAT SLASHER, POST UP, AND MIDRANGE GUY at 6'7. He was ahead of his time and really was a look to the future at SG. Guys like MJ and Kobe are just like this. Ask both of them and I GUARANTEE they will cite the Iceman as an influence in that sense. MJ and Kobe had enough of that in their arsenal to be considered in this race. In other words, if u got Gervin, u gotta have MJ and Kobe in this race. Gervin is more known for his slashing and finger rolls than this jumper. Even though he was great at both and students of the game know this.

Guys who scored most of their points from the perimeter, meaning from mid range and further. Alex English, Iceman, West, Bird, Dirk etc fit that explanation well.
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