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    Default Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Pacers were willing to give Lance a shorter deal and player option too.....He has a team option with Charlotte in year 3...Guess he just didn't want to be here....Oh well...**** em...

    http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...B%27true%27%5D

    In the end, flashing the choke sign at LeBron James and then blowing in the King's ear wasn't the silliest thing Lance Stephenson ever did.

    The most foolish thing Stephenson and his lawyer/agent, Alberto Ebanks, did was turning down the Pacers' five-year, $44 million contract.

    Do the math.

    If he had stayed, he would have earned a guaranteed $44 million, more than enough money and security to take care of his family, his children and their mothers. That comes out to an average of $8.8 million.

    Instead, he overreached and found himself doomed by his own pride, accepting a three-year deal, with a third year being a Charlotte Hornets' team option. It guarantees him only two years and $18 million. If he stays three years, he will make roughly $27 million. If my math is right, that's $9 million a year, just a tad more than the Pacers offered.

    So for a couple hundred thousand dollars, a pittance by basketball standards, Stephenson bolted the only home he's ever had in the NBA, a place where he has his biggest supporter in Larry Bird, a place where he is loved by fans despite his occasional forays into goofy behavior.

    All for a chance to go to a team that earned the seventh seed in last year's Eastern Conference playoffs.

    Stephenson got bad advice from his agent and he took that bad advice.

    For Bird, it was the ultimate head-scratcher.

    What if, heaven forbid, Stephenson gets injured before he has a chance to re-enter free agency, where he believes he will be in line for a massive, elite payday? Who turns down security unless the cash value is significantly higher elsewhere?

    But Stephenson's people wanted more, wanted $12 million to $14 million from the Pacers, according to the team's president. They were looking for a $55 million contract. When the offer came in at $44 million, they scoffed.

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    It's commonly believed that Stephenson accepted the shorter-term deal because in a few years time, the salary cap will increase quite dramatically, and he will be in line for the monster raise he so desperately believes he deserves.

    Except that according to Bird, the Pacers were willing to offer a shorter-term contract that would have given Stephenson the chance to cash in should his game continue to grow the way both he and Bird believe it will. The Pacers were also willing, however grudgingly, to give Stephenson a player option midway through a five-year contract so that he could opt-out and test the market once the cap money increased.

    Keep this in mind, too, that after next year, both David West and Roy Hibbert have player options, so if one or either decided to bolt and test the free-agent market, it would have opened up lots of cap money if Stephenson wanted to opt out. And after the third year of a Stephenson deal, the Pacers have just $26 million committed to players, leaving lots of cap space to take care of Stephenson.

    At the time, though, the numbers didn't add up for Ebanks and Stephenson.

    Truth be told, they still don't.

    "I really feel bad about losing him,'' Bird said. "I hope it doesn't interfere with our relationship. But I did what I could possibly do to keep him here. Even if he didn't have any other offers, I was committed to giving him that $44 million because I believe in the kid. If you look at our roster, we have five or six guys in the last year of their deals, plus David (West) and Roy (Hibbert) can opt out, so don't you think I wanted to keep Lance and Paul (George) locked into long-term deals?''

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    But it came down to this:

    Stephenson and his agent believed Sir Lancelot belonged in eight-figure territory, $10 million or more, much more, and the Pacers were right to stand firm. Stephenson is a nice player, but he's not a $10-million-plus player, not yet anyway. If the Pacers had met that price, they would have been left with a thoroughly depleted bench and been forced to deal with the luxury tax.

    And in the end, Stephenson didn't get his eight figures.

    Not even close.

    When Bird met with Stephenson, his family and his agent the first night of free agency, he had a couple of five-year options and was sure one of them was going to be acceptable. But a few days later, Ebanks called back Bird and told him, "I don't think this is going to work. I don't believe you have the money available to re-sign Lance.''

    Bird was stunned.

    They ultimately went back and forth, contemplated different options, but the money was never right.

    Of all the head-scratchers, this is the biggest: Why would Stephenson accept a team option in the third year? A player option would make some sense. If he blew up and became an All-Star, he could opt out and hit the lottery. But a team option gives Michael Jordan and the Hornets all the leverage. If Stephenson develops into a top-tier player, Jordan locks him into the last year of the contract. If he struggles or screws up, the team can just drop him.

    Bizarre.

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    Bird could stomach this if Stephenson had left for much greener pastures, a lot more cash. But the argument can be made that he left for a worse deal.

    "It's just disappointing,'' Bird said. "When I'd go to practices, when he was on, he was by far our best player. And he worked. If you work as hard as he does, you're going to get better. I'm going to miss the kid, no question. And he's growing up. That stuff he pulled in the playoffs, that was out of the blue. But I knew how good Lance was and the value he brought to our team.''

    In the end, he wasn't worth $10 million or more.

    Not to the Pacers, not to anybody, in the end.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Dude has an ego. It was obvious he thought that he'll always be in PG's shadow and felt he couldn't grow that way.

    It's simple, he just wanted to be THE man on a different team. Kid's talented as hell but he's a dummy.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    He feels he is worth more along the lines of what Chandler Parsons is getting, and decided to bet on himself that he can produce bigger numbers, and get a bigger contract down the line.


    So basically, players get shit on when they take the big money, and they get shit on when they pass up big money and bet on themselves.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    lol who cares if the other deal offered more money because it was longer.

    he thinks he's worth more than 9M a year so he wanted a shorter deal to prove it.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    saw title. ignore list.

    bird was trash from a weak era and TL;DR i aint got time for no nostalgia about tha "golden days' with larry 'set shot' bird on his 'razzle dazzle' bounce pass showtime

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Just like the Artest era all over again. Pacers supporting players regardless of baggage/on and off the court problems then deciding to leave in the end.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Quote Originally Posted by King Jane
    saw title. ignore list.

    bird was trash from a weak era and TL;DR i aint got time for no nostalgia about tha "golden days' with larry 'set shot' bird on his 'razzle dazzle' bounce pass showtime
    what about Pete Maravich?

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Charlotte with Lance this year> Pacers with Lance this year


    hibbert and pg finally got exposed this past season

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    It was a weird move, but I don't buy the whole "he had a chance to set his family up for life" argument. If Lance's family can't get by on $27m, I don't think they are gonna make it on $44m either.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocaine80s
    Charlotte with Lance this year> Pacers with Lance this year


    hibbert and pg finally got exposed this past season
    That team is ****ed. No room to get better. U rite. Lance is at least tenmil. Dude's gonna go ape watch.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcastic
    He feels he is worth more along the lines of what Chandler Parsons is getting, and decided to bet on himself that he can produce bigger numbers, and get a bigger contract down the line.


    So basically, players get shit on when they take the big money, and they get shit on when they pass up big money and bet on themselves.

    Its obviously a racist conspiracy, right bro???

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    I'm okay with him leaving. He's going to regret it.

    Pacers are better off without him. He was a ball hog and selfish on offense. It'll lead to PG being more assertive and Hibbert getting more touches

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Quote Originally Posted by PacerRaptor
    I'm okay with him leaving. He's going to regret it.

    Pacers are better off without him. He was a ball hog and selfish on offense. It'll lead to PG being more assertive and Hibbert getting more touches
    Hibbert should focus on getting a rebound before he demands a touch.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    would Larry Bird had match that contract?

    because all I saw was "Larry Bird is his biggest supporter" and made me scratch my head.

    Lance turned down that contract because he believed that he is worth more. I guess his biggest supporter doesn't agree with him, but it's not as if the guy didn't get another contract.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird Stunned Lance Left.........

    Is it actually considered news now when Lance does something stupid? I just assumed everyone knew he was a moron.

    Btw I can't feel bad for anyone involved. If Lance gets hurt, he quite frankly deserves it, and I am glad the Pacers are a worse team. Gives my team a better shot.

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