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Old 09-25-2018, 01:18 AM   #121
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Default Re: 17-19 Durant vs. 96-98 Jordan

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Probably. KD in his career has only been on a 60 win team once before joining the Warriors. A KD/Klay/Dray trio on the surface isn't any better than KD/WB/Ibaka. Now you could argue that KD and Westbrooks styles clashed and they were never able to maximize their potential, but even without Westbrook Durant has shown that his own style of play doesn't really enhance a teams offensive system, even when that team is the Warriors, unless you got someone like Curry running the show. The difference, as you state, lies in the numbers when Curry is in or out of the lineup.

This makes no sense.

The Warriors weren't constructed with KD's strengths in mind. The Thunder were fine without Westbrook during Durant's MVP season because the team fit him better.

The Warriors isn't a "one size fits all" team. They're great at motion offense and ball movement, as well as defensive communication but what makes the team great is that they aren't "made" for anyone. If Curry has a bad game they can still win. Same with Durant, and Klay.

Under Kerr they've been this way. They achieved less when under Mark Jackson when the ball was always in Curry's hands.
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Old 09-25-2018, 07:23 AM   #122
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This makes no sense.

The Warriors weren't constructed with KD's strengths in mind. The Thunder were fine without Westbrook during Durant's MVP season because the team fit him better.

The Warriors isn't a "one size fits all" team. They're great at motion offense and ball movement, as well as defensive communication but what makes the team great is that they aren't "made" for anyone. If Curry has a bad game they can still win. Same with Durant, and Klay.

Under Kerr they've been this way. They achieved less when under Mark Jackson when the ball was always in Curry's hands.

I don't recall arguing that the Warriors were constructed with KD in mind. But I'll concede, the way I presented that argument could have been better, so I'll try again:

What I should have said is, he doesn't really 'enhance' the Warriors offensive system especially, in terms of how others play off him. That's different from saying he can carry the offense at periods, because all great scorers of that ilk can do that. That's why solo transcendent superstars have so much more individual value than many other team sports. You play them in a 7 game series and often their individual prowess can offensively will out a game or two even if their team is otherwise inferior. He carried the Thunder without Westbrook, because their offense was never much more than allowing the two stars to do their thing. With Westbrook out to compete with KD for who was going to be the primary decision-maker especially closing games, he was allowed the full extent of his game to show, same with WB in 2017. Both of those guys function better individually than as a tandem.

The point is, it's both been proven by numbers and just watching them play that the TEAM offense functions better with Curry and no KD, then with KD and no Curry. And since you say that the Warriors aren't built for anyone in particular, that would include Curry. But his style of play is more conducive to how they play, and the results bare that in their w/l when one is playing and the other isn't. And by the same token, just because they're not built for anyone doesn't mean you can just insert anyone either. Westbrook would be a disruptive force on the Warriors' system, for example.

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Old 09-25-2018, 08:55 AM   #123
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by the very first page lebron trolls have already turned the thread
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:01 AM   #124
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Default Re: 17-19 Durant vs. 96-98 Jordan

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This makes no sense.

The Warriors weren't constructed with KD's strengths in mind. The Thunder were fine without Westbrook during Durant's MVP season because the team fit him better.

The Warriors isn't a "one size fits all" team. They're great at motion offense and ball movement, as well as defensive communication but what makes the team great is that they aren't "made" for anyone. If Curry has a bad game they can still win. Same with Durant, and Klay.

Under Kerr they've been this way. They achieved less when under Mark Jackson when the ball was always in Curry's hands.
How did OKC do when Westbrook was injured in the playoffs with KD, since that team was constructed better with him? I can't recall the record.

You're wrong about your latter comment in terms of made for. This team is made for Curry. He's the primary reason Mo Buckets went from being the 3rd choice in a championship team to heading to China 2 years later. He enhances everyone's game, even when he has a bad a game. That's what makes him vastly different than every other superstar.
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