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Old 06-07-2009, 03:31 PM   #46
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Philly is lucky this draft is full of quality guards because its our top needs this offseason. We can go with alot of differnt options in the draft but i think we need to pick up a Pointgaurd or a shooter, maybe trade for another pick and pick up both? its possible.

Jrue Holiday would be nice for Philly down the road i would trade up and try to get him because he wont be there at number 17.

Flynn is another prospect i would love to play for philly but raised his stock and can go mid lottery

Tyreke Evans would be a nice pick up for philly proved he can play the 1 hes a good passer but more suited for the 2guard spot loves to play up and down and thats what phillys all about. His stocked rised too so maybe we can trade up for him

Jeff Teague A good scorer he plays hard the entire game puts pressure on the defense everytime he has the ball. Loves the transition game so should be a great fit for philly.He might be around at 17

Eric Maynor is clutch and preforms at a high level every night should be there at 17

Other options Ty Lawson, Chase Budinger Gerald Henderson and for big man i could see Blair in a Philly uniform if he drops
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Old 06-07-2009, 04:25 PM   #47
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yawn.....still fight club? let it go......
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:19 AM   #48
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Take the day off and look at this mess

Hope no one gets offended at the stuff I deleted, but I sincerely don't think it was worth keeping.
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Dionte Christmas, Wayne Ellington, Darren Collison, Marcus Thornton, and Jack McClinton in for workouts today.

With Christmas, Ellington, McClinton, and Meeks all 2nd round picks that are shooters does that indicate that we are looking to pick up a 2nd round pick somewhere?
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Hope no one gets offended at the stuff I deleted, but I sincerely don't think it was worth keeping.

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Dionte Christmas, Wayne Ellington, Darren Collison, Marcus Thornton, and Jack McClinton in for workouts today.

With Christmas, Ellington, McClinton, and Meeks all 2nd round picks that are shooters does that indicate that we are looking to pick up a 2nd round pick somewhere?

Willie Green for a 2nd rounder (Christmas, Ellington, Thornton can shoot). Not sure who McClinton is. Collison could have gone higher if he left earlier. But you could be on to something since Sixers have no second round pick.
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:11 PM   #51
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Willie Green for a 2nd rounder (Christmas, Ellington, Thornton can shoot). Not sure who McClinton is. Collison could have gone higher if he left earlier. But you could be on to something since Sixers have no second round pick.
Jack McClinton from Miami. He can shoot but he's tiny. 6'1" or 6'2". Eddie House similarities.

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Old 06-10-2009, 04:00 PM   #52
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No one will eat $7 million and give up cap space and a pick to add Willie Green. We could offer a team our first round pick just to take Green along, and I doubt there will be a single team in the NBA who would agree to do so. In this economic climate, the only way we trade Green is if we get either a longer, bigger contract, or just a bigger contract. The other option is if he is moved as part of a bigger deal for salary cap purposes.

We at $2.8 million to swap Evans for Kapono. If there is a team out there who has an overpaid, marginal role player with a contract bigger than Green's, that's the team that would be interested in him.

That being said, Evans was redundant here with Brand and Smith coming back and with the expected improvement of Speights. Just like we found Theo last season, and Phoenix picked up Admundson from us and paid him the minimum, we can pick up another big to replace Evans.

Green however is not redundant. Right now, he is the only pure SG on the roster and the only other player other than Iguodala who can defend the position at even an average level. He's not very good true, but in his case, it will make little sense to take on an even worse contract. In a traditional line-up, we'll start Iggy at the 2 and Thad at the 3. When we go small, we are still likely to go with Iggy, Kapono and Young. Green will revert to a role that best suits him - a back up SG who plays 15 minutes a game.

A second round pick can typically be purchased. No one will eat a bad contract from us in the process. Instead, we can offer someone some cold hard cash if there is a player we like.

Many teams today view a high second rounder as more valuable than a low first rounder because it doesn't come with the burdern of a guaranteed contract and in most drafts, the difference between the talent isn't that great - this draft in particular. One of those picks might be harder to acquire.

However, a pick in the 40's is something that should be doable - particularly for cash. In years past a pick in the 50's could be had as low as $50,000, but teams have bought second rounders for $500,000 too.

Portland is looking to move the 24th pick. If they are unable to do so and there isn't an international prospect they like enough to draft and stash overseas, they'd sell the 33rd pick - perhaps for cash and a future second rounder or for two future second rounders. They also have the 38th and the 55th, although I wouldn't be very interested in the 55th. One of those picks will be up for grabs.

Right now, there is talk of McClinton going in the first, but he could drop down. He's a combo guard and unless we move Williams and/or Green, I'm not sure I'd be interested in terms of fit. He's a much better defender than House and has a nice offensive game, although he's not quite the pure shooter House is.

If I'm the Sixers, I focus on drafting a European prospect whom the can stash overseas or a guy like Nick Calathes, who likely would have gone in the first round and they likely would have considered at 17, but who'll play in Greece next season. It's a low risk, high reward pick. Some apparently still think he might go in the first round anyway.

Victor Claver is a kid with a lot of talent who already gets some burn in the ABC, but he too might go in the first. Same with Omri Casspi from Israel.

The two kids who improved their stock, but likely still go in the second round are Nando De Colo - a guy I would love for the Sixers to pick up in the second round, and Rodrigue Beaubois.

Patrick Beverley can play and he'll go in the second round. Luke Harangody could be a guy to replace Evans. Jermaine Taylor is an interesting SG prospect. Danny Green will be there. Ellington (although I think he's a poor fit because he's another undersized guard on a team with a few of those already). Patrick Mills.

I guess a lot would depend on what happens with our first rounder. Seems like Ford is pretty sure that we'll take Maynor. He was sure we'd get Speights last season, but it's tough to predict who'll be there and won't be there at 17, especially in a draft like this. Hell, with all the negative publicity lately surrounding Jennings, he might drop out of the lottery (although I would be shocked if he dropped past Phoenix). He's young and raw and not a pure point, but has so much talent that he could end up being the best player out of this draft in a few years and would be worth the risk.
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Old 06-10-2009, 04:55 PM   #53
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Green is a SG without a 3pt shot. No thanks. Time to upgrade.
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Old 06-10-2009, 05:03 PM   #54
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Green is a back up SG with a poor 3 point shot. Not unique in that regard. It's easier to want to upgrade than to actually do it. We already have Williams and Kapono who can't defend a soul, so not only would we have to add a back up SG who is a pure SG and can stick the 3, but that player will also have to be able to defend the position. We can probably get a back up in the draft or we could use a part of the MLE to sign a young 3 point specialist who still might be improving in Von Wafer. That being said, Green is still likely to be on the roster unless there is a specific, Kapono type back up SG out there whom we can trade Willie for - would have to be a comparable player with a slightly larger contract or similar contract for more years.
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Old 06-10-2009, 06:10 PM   #55
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Thats why Ed Stefanski gets paid the big bucks. To find ways. That kid Terrence Williams would be a nice addition. But I dont want to spend the 17th pick on him if there are PGs to be had.
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Old 06-11-2009, 12:42 PM   #56
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On talent, Williams is a lottery pick. He's had some personal issues and there have been other questions about him. An underachiever to date, but certainly someone the Sixers should be looking at if he's around at 17.

To be honest, I'm hopeful that they are just looking at the best prospect available and not on position. If they rate Williams as the best player on the board at 17 and he's a SG and not a PG, they should take him. If they feel the best player is BJ Mullens, a C, they should take him. Teams always get in trouble when they target a position and not the best player. That's generally applicable across all sports, but it's particularly important in basketball, where rosters are smaller and individual players have more of an impact on the long term success of the team.
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Old 06-11-2009, 01:27 PM   #57
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On talent, Williams is a lottery pick. He's had some personal issues and there have been other questions about him. An underachiever to date, but certainly someone the Sixers should be looking at if he's around at 17.

To be honest, I'm hopeful that they are just looking at the best prospect available and not on position. If they rate Williams as the best player on the board at 17 and he's a SG and not a PG, they should take him. If they feel the best player is BJ Mullens, a C, they should take him. Teams always get in trouble when they target a position and not the best player. That's generally applicable across all sports, but it's particularly important in basketball, where rosters are smaller and individual players have more of an impact on the long term success of the team.
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The move doesn't seem to affect the Sixers' plans to search for a guard with the No. 17 pick in the NBA's June 25 draft.

"I think we're going to be looking for the best guard available, which is what we've been talking about all along," Stefanski said. "[Jordan] is more concerned about [getting] the best player at one of those [backcourt] positions."
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Old 06-11-2009, 02:05 PM   #58
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I saw that quote, but I wouldn't put any stock in it. GMs are notoriously secretive about whom they like and what they are looking at. This is particularly the case when you are picking in the second half of the first round and 16 teams get to call the shots before you. I think the Sixers, like most other teams, likely will have a board listing the top 58 players. Presuming they don't trade up or down and don't trade the 17th pick all together, they likely will look at who the best player available is. Perhaps it will be up for debate if there is a SF who can't shoot from deep and is rated as the best player available, slightly ahead of their best rated PG, but in a realistic draft scenario, I still believe the Sixers will take the best player on the board, even if that player is a C or a PF. A pure SF who can't shoot from deep probably won't rate highly for them, but any other position will be up for debate.

A lot of pundits seem to think Maynor will be our guy. If Teague is still there, I think I'd rather take a flier on him, but it would be hard to quible with their choice if after the workouts, they think Maynor is their guy.
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Old 06-11-2009, 03:23 PM   #59
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I'd put a little more stock in Stefanski's word than some other GM's. Last year he said he wanted a big and he went and got Speights (all before we signed Brand). This year he says they're going after the best guard, which is a weakness when you consider Willie Green started for us and Royal Ivey is our primary PG backup (w/o a Miller resigning). Of course there's always the chance that a guy drops tremendously and he's too good to pass up. Kind of like how the Eagles got Maclin. But I don't see it happening. I'd put my money into us taking a guard.

And with about 11-13 of the top 20 picks presumably to be guards he'll have his options.
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Old 06-11-2009, 03:32 PM   #60
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On need alone, we're going after a guard. Agreed. This also happens to be a guard heavy draft. That being said, the reason I don't necessarily think we're guaranteed to draft a guard is because at 17, it's possible that all of our top choices are gone, whereas a big that they rate highly might end up dropping down to us. Not likely, but my point was only that I doubt that Sixers are looking at a board of guards and are guaranteed to take one no matter what. If Stefanski for example loves a PF or a C and thinks that kid will be an all-star in a few years and somehow that kid drops down to 17, would he take him over a guy they have rated as the 8th best PG in the draft and whom they project as a solid back up? I hope not, althought obviously I don't know. Stefanski doesn't have to hide the ball in proclaiming we need a guard - everyone knows. At the same time, his pronnouncement that we'll take one isn't worth much either. Teams have been known to draft guys they never brought in for workouts and to take guys they publicly disparaged in the media or leaked falls rumors about. I don't disagree with you on the probability scale all things considering, but I still wouldn't put any trust in anything Stefanski says about the draft. He'll gladly tell a reporter Sixers love Lawson and will bring him in for 3 workouts when he believes that Lawson should go in the second round and will be a 3rd string PG and most other GMs would do the same thing.
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