Lebron has never lost in the First Round of the playoffs

[tpols]

He's gone up against the worst playoff teams in 30 years in his first rounds.

[BrickingStar]

He's gone up against the worst playoff teams in 30 years in his first rounds.

Cavaliers without lebron are even worse

[RaininTwos]

He's gone up against the worst playoff teams in 30 years in his first rounds.

might as go as far as you can with the bullshit

[Ne 1]

Cavaliers without lebron are even worse

If you take away a superstar, its not uncommon that his team will struggle. Without David Robinson, San Antonio was a lottery team in '97. Just because the Cavs struggled doesn't mean it was all because of LeBron. It's the team they built. They were basically a one man show on offense. Similar to the '01 Sixers with AI carrying the scoring load. Without LeBron there was nobody to run the offense. But that doesn't mean they were playing with a bunch of worthless bums, not capable of winning anything. Without Howard, Orlando would be quiet similar probably. A lot of wins in regular season is nice but its been done many times by even teams that were a one man show on offense.

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe stans are morons

[Money 23]

It always ends up being one guy. Lebron is it. he didnt do shit when they got there. But it was his team and will be remembered as such.

That doesn't mean they're correct. LeBron and Wade's play in 2011 was EXACTLY on the same level. So, they ... and yourself ... would be wrong in considering the 2011 Heat to be LeBron's team alone.

It's been conceited by the actual two lead dogs on that team that they kept trying to take turns dominating, and what helped this year was Wade's selfless ego taking a deliberate back seat for LeBron, to stroke his ego and allow him to be considered the team's best player.

For right or wrong, that's the truth. 2012 Heat are LeBron's team. It worked because there was an actual hierarchy, and not two alphas battling it out for whose team it was as they did in 2011.

The people hating on Lebron do a lot to show how great he is. I mean...this guy is 27

Once again, age has nothing to do with it. He's a 10x year NBA vet. A decade in the league. He's not a 27 year old, just 5 years deep in the NBA out of college.

Is he still young? Yes. But he has a lot of mileage, and a lot of experience. So giving his accomplishments an additional boost of claiming how young he is doesn't make sense.

There is a ying and yang to that argument. On one side you could say how great he is for being this young and accomplishing all he has, on the other you can say well the young man CHOSE to come out early, thus having a dramatic head start on his career.

Both statistically, and for experience purposes.

[ripthekik]

As I asked....what does he do? Not lead every team for years to an elite record so he plays a good team in the first round?

We're not saying he's lucky for being 1st seed and playing the 8th seed. We're saying he's lucky because the 8th seeds sucked so much and are very much below average, especially compared to the West and other years.

There's nothing else he can do.. ok then that's that. BUT trying to make it like it's special? Making it sound as if it's a huge achievement? Beating out the lower seeds in one of the worst conferences in years, beating teams that are few of the worst in playoff history.

He did nothing except play in a weak league, that makes him special? Come on, kblaze. Your love for lebron is leaking out.

[ripthekik]

this is gold

[Indian guy]

It's been conceited by the actual two lead dogs on that team that they kept trying to take turns dominating

Maybe the first 20-odd games of that season, but their chemistry was a non-issue the rest of the way. They both stopped worrying about each other and began playing their games. Miami was the league's #1 ranked offense the final 50-odd games of 2011, and dispatched each of their EC opponents with more ease than they did in 2012, despite facing significantly tougher competition in 2011. They failed to win the championship because LeBron forgot the season didn't end with the ECF, not because of supposed hierarchical issues between him and Wade. That stopped being a problem long ago. LeBron and Wade could've approached 2012 exactly how they did the prior year and would've still won the championship.

[stickfigure87]

but no one expected lebron to make the finals..let alone win a championship with that supporting cast. why the revisionism, jerry?

no one expected the cavs to make the finals? what were all those nike puppet commercials we were watching? espn had the cavs picked (and rightfully so) to make the finals.

revisionism, much?

[gabeh1018]

ok you say it's because he played in the east, but I think it's important to point out that no one else in the east has made it look so easy "getting out of the first round" in the east come playoff time

especially with his surrounding teammates

not giving him a pass on anything else, just pointing out an objective fact

[DirtySanchez]

This has got to be the dumbest pro LeBron thread ever.

Some of you kids have only been watching the NBA since what 2010????

Look at the strength if the Eastern Conference on the 2000's. only two good teams and one great team.
Good teams being Pistons and the Cavs and great being the Celtics. And that's it.

[LakersReign]

ok you say it's because he played in the east, but I think it's important to point out that no one else in the east has made it look so easy "getting out of the first round" in the east come playoff time

especially with his surrounding teammates

not giving him a pass on anything else, just pointing out an objective fact

(yawn)

[DirtySanchez]

ok you say it's because he played in the east, but I think it's important to point out that no one else in the east has made it look so easy "getting out of the first round" in the east come playoff time

especially with his surrounding teammates

not giving him a pass on anything else, just pointing out an objective fact

The next bullish.t comment that LeBron had no teammates in Cleveland. Get the f.ck out of here with that BS. No he didn't have any all star face of the franchise teammates he has now....but he did have good role players that built a team around his skills. Basketball is a team game and he had a good team built around him. Stop with that BS it just shows you don't know shit about ball.

[d.bball.guy]