How come Lebron had such a terrible fg% in the finals?

[AlphaWolf24]

Na, he could not. No shaq to feed to for free assists

He had Shaq and still choked.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I looked it up and I found this year known as 2006.

Dwyane Wade and Refs mean nothing?

[The Iron Fist]

he tried to beat kobe at Kobe's game..

Yea, but he would have to win a game to do that.

[Bernie Nips]

Yea, I looked up this year back in the 90s.

You might want to dig a little deeper.

Shaq was winless without Kobe and its not a debatable fact.

Wow. This is actually pretty good logic.

Everyone, The Iron Fist has used his logic to determine...

DEREK FISHER IS THE REASON THE LAKERS HAVE WON THEIR LAST 5 CHAMPIONSHIPS

Kobe couldn't even make the Finals without Derek Fisher!

Look it up, cos you like looking things up.

[whoartthou]

Yea, I looked up this year back in the 90s.

You might want to dig a little deeper.

Shaq was winless without Kobe and its not a debatable fact.

So solely because of KOBE, shaq won rings? I wonder how that worked out for them in 2003-2004, 2004-2005, when kobe tried to be the main kat.

Shaq won rings because he had a really good supporting cast (horry was clutch, fisher was clutch, etc), and probably the best 2nd banana/ 2nd fiddle ever(kobe)

When kobe tried to take things into his own hands... we know what happened. Not debatable, thats a fact.

[The Iron Fist]

Wow. This is actually pretty good logic.

Everyone, The Iron Fist has used his logic to determine...

DEREK FISHER IS THE REASON THE LAKERS HAVE WON THEIR LAST 5 CHAMPIONSHIPS

Kobe couldn't even make the Finals without Derek Fisher!

Look it up, cos you like looking things up.

Fisher is Kobes Pippen.

and your point is?

If anything you're only making Kobe look better if you're going to resort to using Derek Fisher as your Pippen.

[kkling]

Always his teammates fault.

I remember when the Cavs first got Shaq then added Jamison. It was OVER for the league.

Big 3 sign in Miami, every game was suppose to be a blowout. Over for the league once again.

Now Bosh sucks and Wade is too inconsitent. Poor LeBron, because stuck with terrible teammates his entire career.

Like a walking plague.

Gooden, Hughes, Pavlovic, Ilgauskas, James. Replace James with Kobe, do they win against the Spurs? lol

[whoartthou]

Everyone who watched the NBA back then,

knew the real finals were the WC finals.

The Finals, were just a mere formality.

It was Kobe who was running things in the WCF.

a mere formality. So that is what explains kobe's atrocious play in the finals

[whoartthou]

He had Shaq and still choked.

nice. Use past-his prime shaq as an example.

[Nevaeh]

We already discussed him.

He needed Kobe.

For if one takes a look at Shaqs career,

it wasn't until Kobe became a force that Shaq was finally able to get a finals win.


Pre Kobe, Shaq is Lebron status.

NBA Finals averages for their careers:
Shaq (as a Laker) 33.6ppg 14.1reb 3.0ast 2.4blk 60.2%fg
[COLOR="Red"]Kobe (with Shaq) 22.1ppg 5.2reb 4.6ast, 1.0blk 41.6%fg[/COLOR]
Shaq (with Kobe):3 Finals MVPs
Kobe (with Shaq): 0 Finals MVPs

Yep, Shaq was up the creek without a paddle without these monster stats from Kobe

[The Iron Fist]

So solely because of KOBE, shaq won rings? I wonder how that worked out for them in 2003-2004, 2004-2005, when kobe tried to be the main kat.

Shaq won rings because he had a really good supporting cast (horry was clutch, fisher was clutch, etc), and probably the best 2nd banana/ 2nd fiddle ever(kobe)

When kobe tried to take things into his own hands... we know what happened. Not debatable, thats a fact.

Yea, we know what happened. Shaq refused to take a back seat to Kobe Bryant, so he bitched and moaned to Jerry Buss about getting him his money. Then, he got shipped out and the rest of the team left.

Kobe started from scratch, and built an entire new dynasty while Shaq was being shipped from coast to coast like a used whore.

In the end, Kobe ends up with more rings than Shaq and a better career.

[Bernie Nips]

Fisher is Kobes Pippen.

and your point is?

If anything you're only making Kobe look better if you're going to resort to using Derek Fisher as your Pippen.

Kobe hasn't made it out of the first round of the playoffs without Fisher.

That is not a debatable fact.

Pippen hasn't made the Finals without Jordan.

That is not a debatable fact.

Shaq made the Finals without Kobe.

HANG ON A SECOND. OH DEAR.

THAT KINDA MAKES KOBE THE PIPPEN HUH.

Wipe that egg off yo' motherfuggin face motherfugga.

[whoartthou]

Gooden, Hughes, Pavlovic, Ilgauskas, James. Replace James with Kobe, do they win against the Spurs? lol

kobe probably quits on that team after 1 game.

[AlphaWolf24]

because his teammates are sh!t, and as a result, the entire top 10 defensive team ever can focus on him, unlike kobe who was never the first option on his team during finals

False...Kobe took More shots in the playoffs since 01'

and was clearly the first option in the 4th quarters while Lakers were calling timeouts to get Shaq on the bench


2000 playoffs Kobe = 21PPG 4reb 4ast Championship 51% TS%
2001 playoffs Kobe = 29PPG 7reb 6ast Championship 55% TS%
2002 playoffs Kobe = 26PPG 5reb 4ast Championship 51% TS%
2008 playoffs Kobe = 30PPG 5ast 5reb Lost in Da Championship 57% TS%
2009 playoffs Kobe = 30PPG 5ast 5reb Championship 56% TS%
2010 playoffs Kobe = 29PPG 6reb 5ast Championship 56% TS%


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[Zach Morris]

Gooden, Hughes, Pavlovic, Ilgauskas, James. Replace James with Kobe, do they win against the Spurs? lol

At least one game. But We'll never know. LeBron's teams were always built around him. A bunch of shooters. A Center like Z is ideal for LeBron's game.