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Old 04-05-2007, 11:15 AM   #16
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Default Re: Who is the better Point Guard Deron Williams or Tony Parker?

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Old 04-05-2007, 11:17 AM   #17
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Deron and no second thought. Parker is overrated because he was blessed to play with Duncan.
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Old 04-05-2007, 11:20 AM   #18
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He drives to the basket and because he has so many threats around him leaving their man to double is not much of an optoin. I think in any other system this wouldn't even be a debate. Parker is good but not that good.

What kind of a dumb logic is that?

True that Tony parker has Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, but you say it as if he can't get to the lane at will without any of those guys. He's one of the quickest guards in the league with the ball, and he could shoot. Every time he shoots it goes in, but Greg Pop doesn't give him that green light to shoot because he wants him to be more aggressive taking it in to the hoop.

If Tony Parker was playing for the Utah Jazz he'd be just as good as Deron Williams.

Plus their style is way diffrent.
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Old 04-05-2007, 11:57 AM   #19
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What kind of a dumb logic is that?

True that Tony parker has Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, but you say it as if he can't get to the lane at will without any of those guys. He's one of the quickest guards in the league with the ball, and he could shoot. Every time he shoots it goes in, but Greg Pop doesn't give him that green light to shoot because he wants him to be more aggressive taking it in to the hoop.

If Tony Parker was playing for the Utah Jazz he'd be just as good as Deron Williams.

Plus their style is way diffrent.

What kind of dumb logic is that? Think about it. Whose job is to defend the basket? Big men right. Well how easy is it try to defend the basket and guard Tim Duncan at the same time? If you try to give help D thats an easy 2 from Duncan. And on top of that he has shooters like Bowen, Fin, and Barry that you can't leave open or they'll drain the 3 and Manu whose also a threat.

And Coach Pop didn't just say "don't shoot the 3" he fined him $100 bucks last year every time he took one last year. His J is spotty, he only has average court vision and an average distributor. Deron is his superior at all of those aspects which for a point guard seem more important than having TP's superior blazing speed/quickness combo to get to the rim and finishing ability on 9 out of 10 teams.

Anymore questions about my "dumb logic."
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:49 PM   #20
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What kind of dumb logic is that? Think about it. Whose job is to defend the basket? Big men right. Well how easy is it try to defend the basket and guard Tim Duncan at the same time? If you try to give help D thats an easy 2 from Duncan. And on top of that he has shooters like Bowen, Fin, and Barry that you can't leave open or they'll drain the 3 and Manu whose also a threat.

And Coach Pop didn't just say "don't shoot the 3" he fined him $100 bucks last year every time he took one last year. His J is spotty, he only has average court vision and an average distributor. Deron is his superior at all of those aspects which for a point guard seem more important than having TP's superior blazing speed/quickness combo to get to the rim and finishing ability on 9 out of 10 teams.

Anymore questions about my "dumb logic."

I won't question your logic but you're basically saying anyone can do what Parker does and that's not true.

TP has excellent basketball IQ and takes advantage of what's there very well.

And you act like Deron has no talent around him.

as for what's important for a point guard, look at the PGs that have won the ships recently (1991 to present):

J. Williams
C. Billups
T. Parker
D. Fisher
A.Johnson
R. Harper
K.Smith / Cassell
BJ Armstrong
Paxson

see any Stocktons, Kidds, Paytons there?

Not very many "classic" or "true" PGs have won ships overall unless you consider Magic and Isiah in those categories.
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:52 PM   #21
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Jason Kidd is the man.
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:05 PM   #22
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I won't question your logic but you're basically saying anyone can do what Parker does and that's not true.

TP has excellent basketball IQ and takes advantage of what's there very well.

And you act like Deron has no talent around him.

as for what's important for a point guard, look at the PGs that have won the ships recently (1991 to present):

J. Williams
C. Billups
T. Parker
D. Fisher
A.Johnson
R. Harper
K.Smith / Cassell
BJ Armstrong
Paxson

see any Stocktons, Kidds, Paytons there?

Not very many "classic" or "true" PGs have won ships overall unless you consider Magic and Isiah in those categories.

I do consider Billups, Jay Will, Avery Johnson, Magic and Isiah as true points. On the Bulls teams Pippen was the point and on the first 2 Lakers titles at least you can argue that Kobe was as well.
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:24 PM   #23
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If San Antonio called Utah and offered a straight-up swap (though the salaries don't match), Utah would say "no."
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:32 PM   #24
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I'll take Deron in this argument anyday of the week.
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Deron Williams is the Franchise Player of the UTAH JAZZ.
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:45 PM   #26
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Deron Williams, no competition. Only reason Parker has better fg% is because he doesn't take 3's or many other jumpshots like Williams and most of his points consist of driving to the hoop for a layup.
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Williams by a mile.
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TP baby... I bet Deron's a better rapper though
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Tony Parker's got rings.

He also has 5 years on the most succesful franchise in the last 7 year while Williams played 1 year on a rebuilding Jazz team.
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