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Old 08-03-2012, 10:38 PM   #16
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i think i read this after clubtrillion linked to it, from his great grantland piece on oden

i wondered then, and never figured out, is this definitely legit? like does this guy have proof that he actually worked with the blazers, or better yet, is there any proof that the guy who made this blog is even a real trainer?

not throwing around accusations, just wondering, and too lazy to look into it myself.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:42 PM   #17
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i think i read this after clubtrillion linked to it, from his great grantland piece on oden

i wondered then, and never figured out, is this definitely legit? like does this guy have proof that he actually worked with the blazers, or better yet, is there any proof that the guy who made this blog is even a real trainer?

not throwing around accusations, just wondering, and too lazy to look into it myself.
Here's his bio from that site

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With over 18 years of experience in health, fitness, and sports performance improvement, Mr. Ziegler has helped some of the world’’s best athletes find their groove in baseball, Olympic softball, basketball, football and many other sports. In 1994, Mr. Ziegler started his first sports performance training company developing speed and conditioning programs for high school teams in Arizona. Over a 5 year period, his programs helped lead four high school football teams to state championships.

To date, he has done more than 50,000 3-D biomechanical analyses, including biomechanical analyses of the swing of Tiger Woods for research purposes and Sof the freethrow shooting of Shaquille O’Neal. Mr. Ziegler’s analysis is designed to help foresee and resolve serious sports-related injuries. His efforts have helped more than two dozen NFL players overcome serious injuries to stay on the field including perennial all-Pro NFL Wide Receiver Anquan Boldin, three time Super Bowl Champion Derek LoVille, 12 year NFL veterans Chris Oldham of the Pittsburg Steelers and New Orleans Saints, and NFC champion Chris Walsh of the Minnesota Vikings, veteran NFL Quarterback Stoney Case, and all-Pro Linebacker Seth Joyner, and Jamir Miller.

Some other athletes Mr. Ziegler has advised post-injury include,Canadian Olympic team member and National Pro Fastpitch Co-Pitcher of the Year Lauren Bay, MLB NL Rookie of the Year Jason Bay, 2006 MLB NL Rookie of the year and 2008 NL MVP–Ryan Howard, future MLB Hall of Fame Pitcher Johan Santana (for the NY Mets), Future NBA Hall of Fame center, Shaquille O’Neal, and oft injured Trailblazers’ center Greg Oden and his Trailblazer teammates.

Mr. Ziegler is the Creator of “Fitness From the Ground Up” Sports Therapist and Fitness Professional Certification and the author of “Absolute Kinetix: Fitness From the Ground Up”: Essential Exercises for Optimizing Your Body (to be released Summer of 2012). He is an expert kinesiologist, certified as a Sports Performance Specialist, Post Rehab Conditioning Specialist, and Corrective Exercise Specialist.

For more information, for comment or interview with Mr. Ziegler, please contact Action Media Group (ZZ Sports Group) at 480.522.1038.

It seems legit.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:03 PM   #18
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Thanks for the article, I had missed this, tragic mistakes deprived us of a great big man.
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Thanks for the article, I had missed this, tragic mistakes deprived us of a great big man.
I wouldn't say robbed as we can never know if any of this would have "fixed" Oden or Roy, but it probably would have given them a better chance. I just find it kind of odd that Portland would hire this guy and then basically laugh in his face when he gave them all this info.
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He mentions later on in the comments that what he did to Oden, and eventually the rest of the Blazers team, is what the Phoenix training staff does. I don't think any argument needs to be made about Phoenix's ability to "fix" players.

Oden and Roy were injured before they got to the NBA and maybe they never got the proper rehab in the first place?

What's telling is when they mention a player like Grant Hill. Through the same sort of process and didn't miss a game essentially for three straight years in his late 30s.
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thanks

i was just surprised that a professional would drag a former client through the mud like this, wouldnt he be concerned about scaring potential clients by releasing all this shit about the blazers, couldnt it make other teams rethink hiring him?
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I wouldn't say robbed as we can never know if any of this would have "fixed" Oden or Roy, but it probably would have given them a better chance. I just find it kind of odd that Portland would hire this guy and then basically laugh in his face when he gave them all this info.

Well, it sounds like Penn on his own went in and hired him as a consultant, which may explain why the Portland medical staff got a little testy with him.
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i was just surprised that a professional would drag a former client through the mud like this, wouldnt he be concerned about scaring potential clients by releasing all this shit about the blazers, couldnt it make other teams rethink hiring him?
It's possible. I have no idea what his motives are.
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NBA won't be the same without this man.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:33 PM   #25
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i was just surprised that a professional would drag a former client through the mud like this, wouldnt he be concerned about scaring potential clients by releasing all this shit about the blazers, couldnt it make other teams rethink hiring him?

Actually, I bet it would have just the opposite effect. It wouldn't surprise me if the rest of the league isn't wary of the Blazers medical staff. They basically traded Martell Webster to the Wolves without giving them specific information on his injury.
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I wouldn't say robbed as we can never know if any of this would have "fixed" Oden or Roy, but it probably would have given them a better chance. I just find it kind of odd that Portland would hire this guy and then basically laugh in his face when he gave them all this info.
That's why I said "deprived". It's clear that Oden could have ended up much better if he had undergone proper rehab, it's not like his case was some impossible anomaly with no hope. But you are right I don't think Oden could have ever been fixed as in full recovery.
Regarding the guy's motive in publishing this I have no idea what could have been his true intent but I'm happy he did. In medical business you can't **** up and expect people to cover it up for you as the profession deals directly with people's health and lives and consequently their careers and so on.
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