Without Kobe Bryant in the lineup, the Lakers would be ________.

[whoartthou]

Originally Posted by The Choken One

I'm as big a Kobe fan as they come but I completely agree.

I hate watching the Lakers and you can just see he has no intention on passing at points in the game... it's flat-out painful to watch.

Then there's games when he makes the perfect decisions every time. He gets too competitive against certain top tier teams... hopefully he doesn't fhck up the playoffs for the em... if he plays efficiently Lakers can't lose...

IF. MEGA IF.

You sir, are a wise man. Taking off the homer glasses and assessing a situationt the proper way, i applaud you sir.

And i completely agree with you. If kobe played a more efficient game, the lakers would be a much more dangerous team. IMHO, i see them winning that boston series in 2008 as well.

The thing about Kobe is that he just goes into chuck mode too much. The kat wants to get his own, even if its at the expense of his teammates and winning.

Kobe is a superior play-maker, and if he decided to pass more, facilitate, and just score around 20-22 ppg, the lakers would be un****ingbeatable. Kobe could still get credit as the main guy by being their closer (and obviously taking good shots, not chucking 20 fgs in the 4th quarter).

IT just pisses me off how much of an ego-maniac kobe is. He seems to prefer having all the glory for himself and seems to be the jealous type.

[whoartthou]

Originally Posted by knightfall88

Without Kobe there is 0 perimeter offense.

IMHO, if kobe was not on the lakers, they could easily find a vince carter type guy, or an all-around player who could replace KOBE.

sure, he would not be as good as kobe, but they could EASILY find shooting guards who would be threats from the perimeter (offensivly speaking)

Whatever they do, DO NOT GET THE BALL TO SHANNON BROWN. He has seemed to have developed kobe's chucking ways from kobe.

[bl2k8]

44-47 win team, 1st round loss

[B-Easy]

Anybody that watched this Lakers when kobe was hurt last year .. or whenever he sits to rest .. lakers dont lose a beat .. . defense and rebounding is still dominant .... and even the offense is just as good, theres more ball movement. ..

the Lakers are on fire right now .. and Kobe Bryant has shot terrible in a lot of those games.

Lakers without Kobe are 50 win team probably ..something like the Blazers

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

NBA Finals? Considering Kobe is still sidekicking his way to championships. Replace him with Kevin Martin and they're still a championship contender. Let me explain..

Pau Gasol Vs Kobe Bryant in the 2009-2010 NBA Season:

Regular Season:

Gasol: 18.3 ppg shooting 54%, 11.3 rpg, 1.70 bpg, 3.40 apg
Kobe: 27 ppg , shooting 45.6%, 5.4 rpg, 1.6 spg, 5.0 apg

Player Efficiency Rating (Top 20):

8. Pau Gasol-LAL 22.9
13. Kobe Bryant-LAL 21.9

Offensive Win Shares (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 6.8

Kobe is NOT on the list

Defensive Win Shares (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 4.2
18. Kobe Bryant-LAL 4.0

WinShares (Top 20):

7. Pau Gasol-LAL 11.0

Once again, Kobe was not on the list

You cant argue the facts. Don't even try.

[DuMa]

the laker frontcourt has always been the main reason why theyre so good.

[Nevaeh]

Originally Posted by DuMa

the laker frontcourt has always been the main reason why theyre so good.

That's a Laker Legacy dating back to George Mikan and the beginning of the league.

[Ne 1]

Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy

.......

John Hollinger?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Originally Posted by Ne 1

John Hollinger?

Winshares and better production were made by John Hollinger? That's news to me.

[Rysio]

Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy

NBA Finals? Considering Kobe is still sidekicking his way to championships. Replace him with Kevin Martin and they're still a championship contender. Let me explain..

Pau Gasol Vs Kobe Bryant in the 2009-2010 NBA Season:

Regular Season:

Gasol: 18.3 ppg shooting 54%, 11.3 rpg, 1.70 bpg, 3.40 apg
Kobe: 27 ppg , shooting 45.6%, 5.4 rpg, 1.6 spg, 5.0 apg

Player Efficiency Rating (Top 20):

8. Pau Gasol-LAL 22.9
13. Kobe Bryant-LAL 21.9

Offensive Win Shares (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 6.8

Kobe is NOT on the list

Defensive Win Shares (Top 20):

15. Pau Gasol-LAL 4.2
18. Kobe Bryant-LAL 4.0

WinShares (Top 20):

7. Pau Gasol-LAL 11.0

Once again, Kobe was not on the list

You cant argue the facts. Don't even try.

Only Lebron stans.

[whoartthou]

Originally Posted by Rysio

Only Lebron stans.

This is what kobe stans say when mentioning lakers without kobe..

"BUT BUT BUT, KOBE TAKES THE MOST DIFFICULT SHOTS. HOW ARE LAKERS GOING TO BE THREATS WHEN YOU DONT HAVE A GUY WHO SHOOTS HIS TEAM OUT OF GAMES BY SHOOTING IMPOSSIBLE SHOTS?"

Find a low IQ shooting guard who can average 20 ppg from the perimeter, and has decent play-making ability, the lakers can still win it all iMHO

[Ne 1]

Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy

Winshares and better production were made by John Hollinger? That's news to me.

None of those equations/formula based statistics mean much of anything.

[Bandito]

Originally Posted by whoartthou

This is what kobe stans say when mentioning lakers without kobe..

"BUT BUT BUT, KOBE TAKES THE MOST DIFFICULT SHOTS. HOW ARE LAKERS GOING TO BE THREATS WHEN YOU DONT HAVE A GUY WHO SHOOTS HIS TEAM OUT OF GAMES BY SHOOTING IMPOSSIBLE SHOTS?"

Find a low IQ shooting guard who can average 20 ppg from the perimeter, and has decent play-making ability, the lakers can still win it all iMHO

Who the fvck is this trolling Lebron stan? Is he new?

[whoartthou]

Originally Posted by Ne 1

None of those equations/formula based statistics mean much of anything.

Of course they don't! They do not favor KOBE!

[Ne 1]

Originally Posted by whoartthou

Of course they don't! They do not favor KOBE!

Has nothing to do with Kobe. Almost all of those formulas and advanced metrics/stats are meaningless. (A couple advanced statistics are somewhat useful though.)

For the most part, the only stats I take into consideration are the basics; points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, FG%, 3P%, FT% and turnovers.