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Old 08-01-2012, 07:23 PM   #1
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Default V. Carter vs. T. McGrady-Year By Year Since 2000

Who was the better player in each of these years?

2000-
2001-
2002-
2003-
2004-
2005-
2006-
2007-
2008-
2009-
2010-
2011-
2012-


IMO,

2000- Carter
2001- Carter
2002- McGrady
2003- McGrady
2004- McGrady
2005- McGrady
2006- Carter
2007- Carter
2008- Carter
2009- Carter
2010- Carter
2011- Carter
2012- Carter

9-4 edge to VC

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Old 08-01-2012, 07:32 PM   #2
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Default Re: V. Carter vs. T. McGrady-Year By Year Since 2000

From what I remember watching both play...

2000- VC
2001- VC
2002- TMac
2003- TMac
2004- TMac
2005- TMac
2006- VC
2007- tie / wash
2008- VC
2009- VC
2010- VC
2011- VC
2012- VC

While Vince was clearly better for more seasons, Mcgrady had the better peak years.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:44 PM   #3
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1998-99: Vince
1999-00: Vince
2000-01: Vince
2001-02: TMac
2002-03: TMac
2003-04: TMac
2004-05: TMac
2005-06: Vince
2006-07: Vince
2007-08: Vince
2008-09: Vince
2009-10: Vince
2010-11: tie (edge to Vince)
2011-12: tie (edge to Vince)
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:46 PM   #4
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2000- Carter
2001- McGrady
2002- McGrady
2003- McGrady
2004- McGrady
2005- McGrady
2006- Kevin Love(high school stats: 25.3 ppg, 15.4 rpg, 3.7 apg)
2007- Kevin Love
2008- Kevin Love
2009- Kevin Love
2010- Kevin Love
2011- Kevin Love
2012- Kevin Love
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:01 PM   #5
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Who was the better player in each of these years?

2000- Carter clear PER advantage 23.4 to 20 (though both players on same team and McGrady not getting to take the shots, can't say confidently who was the better player, but Carter had the better year)
2001- Carter very narrow PER advantage 25 to 24.9 Tie
2002-T-Mac clear PER advantage 25.1 to 20.5
2003-T-Mac clear PER advantage 30.3 to 21.9
2004-T-Mac clear PER advantage 25.3 to 20
2005- Both 22.9 Tie
2006- T-Mac 21.9 Carter 21.6 T-Mac perhaps very slightly better but Carter has the better/more impactful year in terms of staying healthy
2007- T-Mac advantage 23.2 to 21.8
--------------------------------------------- (end of their primes)
2008- Carter 18.8 T-Mac 18.4 Carter with marginal stats advantage and played more games
2009- Carter clear advantage 19.3 to 16.3
2010- Carter clear advantage 17.1 to 12.2 T-Mac a physical wreck plays only 30 games 6 in Houston who have given up on him, and 24 on the waiting for LeBron Knicks.
2011-McGrady 14.9 Carter 14.8. Carter playing more minutes. Tie? It's hard to care at this point.
2012- Both 13.6 Carter again playing more.


IMO,

2000- Carter
2001- McGrady
2002- McGrady
2003- McGrady
2004- McGrady
2005- McGrady
2006- Carter
2007- Carter
2008- Carter
2009- Carter
2010- Carter
2011- Carter
2012- Carter

8-5 edge to VC
PER isn't the be all and end all, but it's a very good indicator unless there are mitigating factors that it can't account for.

Counting seasons tell you very little indeed about the better player it's about winning titles (though measuring individuals by team titles isn't a great idea). Post prime neither of them were going to win you a title or shift your odds that significantly (though Carter 2008-10 could have been an okay role player on offense).

When they were in with a shot with really influencing the fortunues of their teams McGrady had a three year peak where he was vastly better than Carter and it was no comparison. McGrady over that period was remarkable, Carter merely good. Carter only advantage of a similar size (to 2002 and 2004 anyway) was 2010 outside their primes and T-Mac a physical wreck. Carter never got a clear win in their primes once Tracy left Toronto.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:09 PM   #6
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2000- vince
2001- vince
2002- tmac
2003- tmac
2004- tmac
2005- tmac
2006- tmac
2007- tmac
2008- who cares
2009- who cares
2010- who cares
2011- who cares
2012- who cares
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:08 AM   #7
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Why did you guys pick VC over Tmac in '01? Better post-season? I'm really not sure about that one.

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While Vince was clearly better for more seasons, Mcgrady had the better peak years.
Agreed, I'm just checking out which years though.

VC gets the edge for '07 though, or at least he should.
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:39 AM   #8
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Why did you guys pick VC over Tmac in '01? Better post-season? I'm really not sure about that one.


Agreed, I'm just checking out which years though.

VC gets the edge for '07 though, or at least he should.

i take him in '01 because he was excellent at getting his in the flow of the game that year without christie and mcgrady that year he saw extra attention from defenses and it didnt affect his efficiency much

mcgrady's numbers might be a little inflated because he was literally their entire offense that year (Grant Hill injured)

if anyone knows where to find usage rates from that year i'd be interested
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:42 AM   #9
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ah the cousin rivalry. Their games against each other were pretty damn entertaining. and it also gives you a picture how they both approached the games. I agree that Orlando TMac was the overall best player, while VC was more durable, consistent, and successful in the postseason throughout his career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieKSvN4G02M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99f7KePJBk
http://youtu.be/iQSf_c7MyKo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5zzxu6xYis
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:59 AM   #10
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whats ur fascination on tmac?
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Old 08-02-2012, 01:05 AM   #11
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Better question, will the cousins make the hall of fame?
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Old 08-02-2012, 01:06 AM   #12
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Better question, will the cousins make the hall of fame?
no. cmon..
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whats ur fascination on tmac?

i know right. just yesterday OP was dogging TMac, but he did say he was a fan of Orlando TMac. Orlando TMac was incredible to watch. His high level of play rivaled that of Vince and Kobe, arguably better than both.
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Old 08-02-2012, 01:14 AM   #14
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i know right. just yesterday OP was dogging TMac, but he did say he was a fan of Orlando TMac. Orlando TMac was incredible to watch. His high level of play rivaled that of Vince and Kobe, arguably better than both.
hes a fan of orlando tmac, but HATES post-orlando tmac lol
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hes a fan of orlando tmac, but HATES post-orlando tmac lol

. aye Houston TMac's 13 points in 33 seconds and was something legendary. and placing Shawn Bradley into retirement.
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