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Old 11-20-2018, 01:24 AM   #1
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Default my official argument for Kobe over Lebron as per request

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Please tell me the argument on Kobe over LeBron.

public opinion on kobes side:

2016 -

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/sto...michael-jordan



2017 - http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/sto...es-kobe-bryant




2018 -
https://m.facebook.com/FirstTake/posts/1905404669519462







the 2016 title was mostly due to kyrie. lebron stat padded in garbage time. proof

kyrie doubled lebrons output when the games weren't blow outs.

in the last 4 minutes of game 7 when everything was on the line. lebron disappeared. missing shot after shot after shot... then kyrie hit the biggest walk off championship winning shot in nba history.




cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back


all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments





then theres the step back 3 to win after lebron choked the last 4 minutes

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.w...0&h=343&crop=1







kobe won 2 titles without a top 80 player ever. lebrons never won a single title without a legendary sidekick and multiple hall of famers







kobe scored more in 3 quarters than lebron ever did in a game

kobe had 10 games of 50+ in one season. up until last year lebron had 10 games of 50+ for his entire career



kobe made 1st team all defense at age 21 and his last appearence was in his 16th season. he has the most nominations ever... while lebron is vastly considered a dog shit defender since 2014.... having a finals defense exposed video for each finals since then


2014 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

2015 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

2016 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hXYtvQEjM

2017 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmvikY8VdQ

2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjNWFqrAIg





lebron had 2 bronze medals before kobe changed the culture of USA basketball and saved the gold medal game for him








kobe owned lebron every time they defended each other



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncMtXkL4Gu4

lebron 2 point hook shot shot 2-0
Kobe 3 point shot 2-3
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 2-5
Kobe 2 point up and under layup 2-7
Lebron 2 point layup 4-7
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-9
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-11
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-13
Kobe 3 point fall away shot 4-16
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-18
Kobe 3 point pull up 4-21
Kobe 2 point fall away bank shot 4-23
Kobe 3 point step back 4-26
Kobe 2 point fall away 4-28
Lebron 2 point fast break dunk 6-28
Lebron 2 point fade away 8-28
Kobe 2 point pull up shot 8-30
Lebron 2 point layup 10-30
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 10-32
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-34
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-36
Lebron 2 point jumper 12-36
Kobe 2 point layup 12-38
Lebron 2 point jumper 14-38
Kobe 2 point jumper 14-40
Lebron 2 point jumper 16-40
Kobe 2 point fall away shot 16-42
Kobe 3 point face up shot 16-45
Lebron 2 point fall away shot 19-45
Kobe 2 point high arching fade away 19-47
Kobe 2 point running leaner 19-49
Kobe 2 point dunk 19-51
Kobe 2 point rainbow fade away 19-53
Lebron 3 point step back 22-53
Kobe 2 point dunk 22-55
Kobe 3 point jumper 22-58
Lebron 2 point layup 24-58
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-60
Kobe 2 point layup 24-62
Kobe 2 point jumper 24-64
Kobe 2 point layup 24-66
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-68
Lebron 2 point layup 26-68
Kobe 2 point fake out layup 26-70
Lebron 2 point dunk 28-70
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-72
Kobe 3 point face up shot 28-75
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-77
Kobe 2 point pull up 28-79





Kobe won their career 1 on 1 matchups BY 50+ points





more big name people have said kobes better than lebron than the other way around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKOKDxsNZ7A








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Old 11-20-2018, 01:25 AM   #2
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Default Re: my official argument for Kobe over Lebron as per request

Kobes era was tougher/better/more physical. lebron needed wade to show him how to be a competitor in 2012 ( after kobes prime )


the 2 never really squared off in the finals cause lebron kept choking #1 seeds away




kobe has a winning record in the finals with 5 titles. lebron has more finals losses than kobe has rings for god sakes... its pathetic




the only thing lebron has on kobe is stats and they've been proven to be at the detriment to his team


rebounds = cherry picked garbage that costs his team defensively https://youtu.be/qc8NNG7tQSM?t=871


assists = agenda driven garbage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQkQwys5mas


scoring/offense = pushes great post players out of the paint to clear space. turning bigs into stretch 4's

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ammates-better



lebron was a net negative up until a few games ago for the ENTIRE SEASON.





he's not a good teammate. he sides with his pals on other teams rather than backing his own guys up after a fight





he leaves them and his franchise every 4 years. that causes more of a negative impact on a team than shooting more difficult shots...at least that much i know


lebron is a cancer. pure and simple. i believe this and so do a ton of other people. even larry bird ( one of the GOAT minds in basketball history ) knew that if you wanna win. you take kobe





other than all this. kobe was the man when it mattered most even when he was winning titles with shaq... lebron on the other hand was always getting bailed out by wade/bosh/allen/kyrie and others



kobes had many great playoff moments ( as to the contrary of many on ISH over the last few years )

2000 game winner vs jason kidds suns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J90qsQo5dg4

saving shaqs legacy in game 7 of the WCF in 2000 vs portland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I5e1fh2TXs

taking over game 4 with shaq fouled out in the 2000 finals with a sprained ankle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhGj48eVZK0

maybe the 47/16 close out game vs the kings in 2001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usRTPODGHO4

followed up by a 45/10/5 game 1 vs sanantonio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olHHSKDZToE

2002 game winner vs sanantonio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3lUtG5vL6k


2002 36,6,4,1,2 vs nets in the finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2olqtNKMGg


2004 42 points vs spurs coming back from colorado trial minutes before tip off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0PmB22MFKw

2004 game 2 vs pistons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ivTetD1oNY


game 6 close out vs the suns in 2010 is pretty memorable too when he hit like 5 straight impossible shots infront of the suns bench and patted gentry on the ass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMaXCsDhCS4


the game tieing shot at the end of regulation+the game winner in OT at the buzzer vs the suns was pretty epic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egtk-29hqwU

39 point close out game vs sanantonio in 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aXVxcLm2qQ


the close out vs denver when kobe dropped 49 on kenyon martin after he talked trash... iverson calls it his favorite moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHD4qLTPzQg

36 vs celtics 2008 finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWI7umzJ_7w


the 40/8/8 game vs orlando in the finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNoM2kwfndw

and believe it or not i put game 7 of the 2010 finals right up there for his determination, defense, rebounding, attacking the rim to get to the line, closing down the stretch with a hand in nearly everything. locking up pierce/allen

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2010 NBA finals Game 7:
3:09 left in 3rd - Kobe 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:37 left in 3rd - Gasol 2 free throws ( boston 56 - lakers 51 )
2:21 left in 3rd - Kobe 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - Odom 2 point layup off kobe pass ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )

11:43 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 57 - lakers 55 )
8:46 left in 4th - Kobe 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
7:29 left in 4th - Artest 3 point play ( boston 61 - lakers 61 )
6:13 left in 4th - fisher 3 pointer ( boston 64 - lakers 64 )
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - Kobe 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - Kobe 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - Kobe 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - Kobe 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - Kobe 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )

2:20 left in 4th - loose ball foul Gasol 1 free throw ( boston 68 - lakers 74 )
1:30 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 70 - lakers 76 )
1:01 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )

0:11 left in 4th - intentional foul on vujacic ( boston 79 - lakers 83 )




kobe totally destroyed the celtics mentally down the stretch offensively and defensively


ray allen and paul pierce were held to 8 for 29 shooting

and if olympic playoffs count you gotta put that 2008 gold medal game right up there. he changed the culture for team USA and saved another lebron choke job


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpVE5Yfvhc




part 3 incoming...
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:26 AM   #3
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:26 AM   #4
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Kobes never had a series like lebron in 2011. the closest thing to it is the game after scoring 50 in a loss to phoenix with an inferior team. he couldn't beat them by outscoring them so he tried to be a playmaker. lebron on the other hand pouted/quit/hid in the corner THE ENTIRE SERIES... on a colluded big 3 team he predicted he'd win 8 titles with

it was the biggest meltdown ever







lebrons lost finals MVP to the man he was defending more times than anyone throughout history











it would have been even more if he didn't call adam silver and get draymond suspended






lebron is the most fraudulant manufactured superstar in sports history. everything he's accomplished was forced/scripted


its tainted with ring chasing

its tainted with stat padding

its tainted with collusion

its tainted with bail outs

its tainted with suspensions

its tainted with leastern conference free passes to the finals

its tainted with steroids

its tainted with weak eras with freedom of movement

its tainted with hidden agendas

its tainted with called in favors



you name it... the mans a complete fabrication.




kobes called him out for his beta behavior during the allstar game. that moment was pure cringe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKMeeOFSZAw




being too scared to enter the dunk contest

meanwhile kobe:






a true showman. guts go a long way. some people are just born with it.

kobe didn't care about losing his "hype" lol





the fact is lebrons never made anyone better... from boozer to big Z to hughes to wally Z to shaq to jamison to wade to bosh to lewis to love to thomas .... the only guy that wasn't negatively effected by lebron was kyrie... why? because he called his own shots as the PG/main ball handler. lebron couldn't snuff out his offense with his bullsh*t agenda


kobe on the other hand elevated shaq, horry, fisher, gasol, odom and others.. he got the best out of even kwame and smush. he got so many guys paid over the years. every year someone like turiaf or ariza would be a made man because of kobe



and even now till this very day guys like simon and company are nonstop obsessed with shitting on kobe. like hes the measuring stick. bar for success. he's all guys like colin cowherd and nick wright talk about when trying to elevate lebron. they act like kobe isn't in the convo yet they always have his name come up every 20 seconds



Kobe is and will forever be ahead of lebron. because 1-2 more rebounds or assists or points don't make up for a career full of black eyes.


don't believe me? ask yourselves why elgin baylors not even in the discussion for top 20 all time with a career average of 27/14/4 and 8 nba finals appearances, 10 all nba 1st teams and a bunch of huge finals scoring records including the most points ever scored in a finals game


winning obviously matters. and lebron doesn't do it often enough.


put him in the west his entire career and he makes 1 nba finals ... no 2013 fluke happens... no 2016 fluke/suspension happens


2012... that would be the only year... thats simply not good enough


theres a reason Kobe has 24 teams with 50+ wins beaten and lebrons stuck on 14 while playing more series and making 2 more finals


COMPETITION






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All that wall of text should be dedicated to a better cause, not an already lost battle.
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What about 35 point triple doubles?
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Lebron has 0 games of 80+

Kobe has 1 game of 80+


Lebron has 1 game of 60+

Kobe has 6 games of 60+


Lebron has 11 games of 50+

Kobe has 25 games of 50+


Lebron has 51 games of 40+

Kobe has 121 games of 40+








and you people think having a higher percentage from getting free layups in a soft era with a free pass to the rim/charging/traveling makes lebron a better scorer?





no



kobes proven many many times to be the more prolific scorer















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Old 11-20-2018, 01:38 AM   #10
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I like how you conveniently ignore the 2nd half of game 6 in 2016. You say the game was over in the 2nd quarter even though it became a 7 pt game early in the 4th quarter. Isn't this the game where LeBron scored 25 straight points to turn it back into a 20 pt game?

So you really think that a 7 pt game against the 73 win Warriors is over? That's all it takes?

And of course you ignore Game 7 key moments. It was a 1 pt Warriors lead starting in the 4th quarter. During the 4th, the Cavs were down 6. LeBron scored a 3, and then got a foul off a 3pt shot called on Barbosa. That tied the game back up. Oh, and of course the momentum shifting block on Igudola, might want to mention that.

In the 4th quarter, the Cavs scored 18 pts and the Warriors scored 13.

11 of the points were by LeBron. Kyrie scored 5. Curry scored 3.

I suppose that nothing else in that quarter mattered besides Kyrie's shot right? Without LeBron's 11 pts, do the Cavs have any shot to win the game? Not even close
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Yeah, post those regular season scoring numbers, against mostly lottery teams Let's see how they compare in the postseason & Finals
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This cat is on ISH writing a dissertation on which overgrown child is more proficient at sticking a ball through a hoop. Ask a mental health professional if this is normal behaviour.
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lebron himself is a kobe fan that admits hes better. he looks up to kobe. hes one of his idols


he wore his shoes as a kid with the kobe afro








he got kobe to autograph a pair of shoes for him




he wore them during pre games/practices



he wore kobe shoes in his first photo shoot with the lakers







he was quoted numerous times saying kobes better


https://youtu.be/Fv37ykpYk84?t=18


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqCc1TiHuUc






the man went to the lakers chasing kobes shadow. he didn't go to the bulls. he knew he lost that battle


if he was secure with his place all time he would have stayed with cleveland. he's obviously trying to win over the LA crowd to be on kobes level




part 6 coming tomorrow. goodnight
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