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Old 03-01-2017, 05:33 PM   #1
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Default PER by Year

Players with a PER over 27.

2010-11: 1
2011-12: 2
2012-13: 2
2013-14: 2
2014-15: 4
2015-16: 5
2016-17: 7

Are guys getting better? Or are rules changing? Looking at Westbrook, he's doing something that has only been done one other time in the history of the sport, but at the same time, he's not the only player that is all of a sudden putting up video game numbers. So, obviously, something has changed.

The floor spacing has helped guys put up numbers they wouldn't normally have been putting up, as well as the elimination of the hand check (which has been discussed at length on here before), but is it something else?

Analytics play a role in all this?
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Old 03-01-2017, 05:36 PM   #2
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You are right. In the mid 00s you had with Dirk, Kobe, TD, KG excellent players, but im not even sure if they all came over 27 PER. At least for more than a year.
Wesbtrook, Harden, AD and DMC stats are just surreal

even wiggins is putting up over 30ppg in his last 10 games.

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Old 03-01-2017, 05:46 PM   #3
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You are right. In the mid 00s you had with Dirk, Kobe, TD, KG excellent players, but im not even sure if they all came over 27 PER. At least for more than a year.
Wesbtrook, Harden, AD and DMC stats are just surreal

even wiggins is putting up over 30ppg in his last 10 games.

There was ONE season that I saw in which there were more than 3 players with a PER over 27, and that was 05-06 when Dirk, LeBron, Kobe, and Wade all had over 27.

Outside of that, most seasons there were only two and occasionally 3. Most all of them were a handful of players (Kobe, Shaq, TMac, KG, CP3, Dirk, Wade, and LeBron).
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Old 03-01-2017, 05:52 PM   #4
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It's the explosion in three point shooting, which creates better floor spacing, making it easier to score and easier to get assists.
Also more rebounds to be had if people shoot more threes.
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Old 03-01-2017, 05:55 PM   #5
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The guys aren't intrinsically better but they are performing better. They are more knowledgeable about where and how to be effective in their offensive sets. Also, these offensive sets are more effective now then ever. It took a while for everyone to figure out how to really take advantage of zone, no hand checking and the power of the 3pt basket. The defense either hasn't caught up or this is the new balance we should come to expect between defense and offense in the current rule set.
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Old 03-01-2017, 06:14 PM   #6
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The guys aren't intrinsically better but they are performing better. They are more knowledgeable about where and how to be effective in their offensive sets. Also, these offensive sets are more effective now then ever. It took a while for everyone to figure out how to really take advantage of zone, no hand checking and the power of the 3pt basket. The defense either hasn't caught up or this is the new balance we should come to expect between defense and offense in the current rule set.

I agree.

I think it is harder to be a good defender nowadays.
Used to be effort, speed and physicality.

But now it feels like there's so many nuances a defender needs to understand in order to keep up with the offensive schemes and defensive manuvers.

Heck, few of the best defenders (Bogut and Gasol) are not that mobile or athletic, but they understand the schemes and have a great ability to predict the offensive players next move. (Old man Duncan-ish.)

Where's the super athletic don't manage to defend as well based on physical gifts alone (Wiggins/Whiteside are both minuses on defense statistically.)
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Old 03-01-2017, 06:15 PM   #7
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Players have 27+ PER between 66 Wilt and 87 Jordan ;

Kareem Abdul Jabbar

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Old 03-01-2017, 06:18 PM   #8
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Players have 27+ PER between 66 Wilt and 87 Jordan ;

Kareem Abdul Jabbar

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really? no bird and Magic?
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really? no bird and Magic?

Looked at the list a couple minutes ago . I guess Bird and Magic have 27 PER for the 1987 and also with Jordan . But there's no 27 PER before 87(to 66) .
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:34 PM   #10
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still using PER in 2017

get in with times boys, you know we have metrics that are not considered ancient by the analytical community, right?
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:41 PM   #11
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3 point shooting.

It not only leads to spacing which allows players to get to the rim easier resulting in open shots, layups or free throws.

3 point shooting also creates many more long rebound opportunities which lead to higher rebound totals for guards and fast break opportunities.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:54 PM   #12
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PER should only be used to compare players from the same year...comparing 1980 PERs with 2017 PERs doesn't work
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:00 PM   #13
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I agree.

I think it is harder to be a good defender nowadays.
Used to be effort, speed and physicality.

But now it feels like there's so many nuances a defender needs to understand in order to keep up with the offensive schemes and defensive manuvers.

Heck, few of the best defenders (Bogut and Gasol) are not that mobile or athletic, but they understand the schemes and have a great ability to predict the offensive players next move. (Old man Duncan-ish.)

Where's the super athletic don't manage to defend as well based on physical gifts alone (Wiggins/Whiteside are both minuses on defense statistically.)

You literally need to slide your feet and beat your man to his spot to be an effective defender these days. This isn't basketball really , it's a guessing game.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:04 PM   #14
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I think better shooting and players playing fewer mins is probably why the stat is getting inflated. The play style of the current NBA definitely plays a big role.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:08 PM   #15
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The league has a ton of talent, but it's the change in rules and strategies that is leading to inflated statistics and efficiency (PER).
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