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Old 03-02-2017, 11:23 PM   #1
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The basis behind the charge/block and the verticality rule is that the defender is allowed the right to occupy areas of the court, just as the offensive player is.

However, it seems that when the offensive player is driving to the basket, and the defensive player is staying with them and NOT REACHING, they still get called for defensive fouls if/when there's body contact.

Are they not allowed to occupy that particular area? Must they beat the offensive player to a spot? When the players are moving mostly linearly is it not understood that each player is on its own "line" and that they have a legal right to said line?

I'm just confused, since it seems as though referees call it differently if the defensively player is actively guarding (foul) than when they are racing to just stand in their way (charge). And those respective outcomes seem backwards, at that.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:27 PM   #2
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The basis behind the charge/block and the verticality rule is that the defender is allowed the right to occupy areas of the court, just as the offensive player is.

However, it seems that when the offensive player is driving to the basket, and the defensive player is staying with them and NOT REACHING, they still get called for defensive fouls if/when there's body contact.

Are they not allowed to occupy that particular area? Must they beat the offensive player to a spot? When the players are moving mostly linearly is it not understood that each player is on its own "line" and that they have a legal right to said line?

I'm just confused, since it seems as though referees call it differently if the defensively player is actively guarding (foul) than when they are racing to just stand in their way (charge). And those respective outcomes seem backwards, at that.

If you read the official rules of basketball ultimately it comes down to the referee's judgment call. There is no exact science except guiding principles.

Refs call.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:35 PM   #3
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If you read the official rules of basketball ultimately it comes down to the referee's judgment call. There is no exact science except guiding principles.

Refs call.

Kind of like how many steps constitutes travelling and how far under the ball the hand goes before it's palming.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:41 PM   #4
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There's definitely a preference for offensive players. The defender is basically only "allowed" to occupy that space over the offensive player if they're absolutely set in place. It seems the logic behind it is that when the defender is set, they treat it as them already being there, but when there's movement it's them getting in the way. Which is stupid because they're intentionally in the way in either case, but the result is totally different.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:51 PM   #5
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There's definitely a preference for offensive players. The defender is basically only "allowed" to occupy that space over the offensive player if they're absolutely set in place. It seems the logic behind it is that when the defender is set, they treat it as them already being there, but when there's movement it's them getting in the way. Which is stupid because they're intentionally in the way in either case, but the result is totally different.
And in a head on collision, as it were, that logic is mildly sound (my least favorite call in the game, though). But when the defender is actively sliding with the offensive player... just seems sketchy. And it seems as though that contact is called far too often.
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