Cops shoot down a homeless man in LA

[RoseCity07]

Luckily for us, the legal system doesn't work in such an arbitrary way so as to have reprisals after every killing or murder .

It seems you want to live under a form of tribal law, where instead of trial by jury and the assumption of innocence, we get tribal leaders sacrificing one of their own as a form of restitution to the family of the first victim.

I suggest you go live in ISIS territory, as it's the kind of law they practice. If that's the kind of place you want to live in, then so be it, but give up the petty self-righteousness because you're just a massive shitstain, pure and simple.

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.

[Akrazotile]

Somewhat depends on the situation. In general yes, punches and kicks aren’t likely to kill a person or render them unconscious. If a cop is in a situation where they might lose consciousness, I have no problem with them shooting a suspect.

Eg. they are getting choked out.

But in general cops shouldn’t shoot unarmed suspects, assuming there is not a compelling reason to believe they are armed, or the cop cannot handle the suspect without a gun.



If the suspect is armed, I have zero problem with the cop shooting him, if he disobeys commands to drop the weapon, or moves to attack with the weapon.

Besides in this situation there were multiple cops and one suspect. Unless he was reaching for their guns, no reason to shoot him. Might be different if there was 1 cop with a brock leasner like suspect.



I am probably the most pro authority person on this site.

Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???


If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR.


I am not saying if you "resist" arrest you should automatically be shot. If you're trying to push a cop away or you're trying to squirm out of his grip or something, that's completely different. If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway.

[MavsSuperFan]

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law.

Congratulations, because cops are not above the law in america. They can be charged if deemed appropriate. We arent North Korea or china or cuba. you might disagree with where the law sets the bar at when its appropriate to use lethal force, but that is a different issue.

Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone.

agreed, but not all killing is murder.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

Whether they are mentally ill or not is totally irrelevant to if its justified to shoot them. The only reason to shoot someone is if there is a compelling reason to believe they are a threat to seriously/permanently harming you or an innocent 3rd party.

Whether they are mentally ill or not is not an excuse for being a threat to others. Eg. if a mentally ill guy is coming at a cop with a knife, I have no problem with the cop shooting that guy.

Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind?

no, but they do if they are a threat to others.

They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

If their resistance doesn't include significant violence than absolutely not. Cops should not use lethal force

[KNOW1EDGE]

Yes, let's protect criminals who attack cops and make it easier on them to committ their crimes.

And let's put Police Officers at risk and make it harder for them to do their job which in turn makes it harder for them to keep us (you know, the non-criminals) safe.

Great logic. Because you know, criminals are more important and have more rights than the Police who are called to protect us.

[Akrazotile]

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.

Your cringeworthiness is literally off the charts.

[RoseCity07]

Your cringeworthiness is literally off the charts.

red bars didn't read.

[Akrazotile]

red bars didn't read.

i said YOUR CRINGEWORTHINESS IS LITERALLY OFF THE CHARTS

[97 bulls]

Heres where im confused...... the cop that shot the man, was it his gun that the man was trying to take?

If so, then why shoot him? He obviously got control of his firearm.

[Godzuki]

another dumbass resisting arrest, another dumbass dead.

at some point even retarded people would see the recurring theme here

[gts]

Heres where im confused...... the cop that shot the man, was it his gun that the man was trying to take?

If so, then why shoot him? He obviously got control of his firearm.

it was another cop

Can't believe folks are shocked. Convicted felon out on parole for armed bank robbery, warrant out for his arrest, resists arrest tries to grab a cops gun gets shot and people are up in arms. lol

[KNOW1EDGE]

another dumbass resisting arrest, another dumbass dead.

at some point even retarded people would see the recurring theme here

One would only hope....

[Dresta]

No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.

None of this bullshit justifies your initial post, and most of it doesn't even make sense, so i'm going to ignore it. Luckily you live in a country where no one is 'above the law' so there goes that one.

[97 bulls]

it was another cop

Can't believe folks are shocked. Convicted felon out on parole for armed bank robbery, warrant out for his arrest, resists arrest tries to grab a cops gun gets shot and people are up in arms. lol

If thats the case then I personally see no fault with what the Police did.

[MavsSuperFan]

Of course they are

They never get indicted

1 that is not true.

that NYPD officer who shot akai gurley got indicted

2. anyone that shoots under justified circumstances shouldnt be indicted.

in this case if the homeless man was reaching for a cops gun, its a justified shooting.

[MavsSuperFan]

Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???


If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR.


I am not saying if you "resist" arrest you should automatically be shot. If you're trying to push a cop away or you're trying to squirm out of his grip or something, that's completely different. If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway.

Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???

Unless you have some compelling reason to believe he is armed, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Eg. you raid a drug den and encounter a bunch of other people already armed. Then its reasonable to assume other suspects are armed

If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR.

Once a life threatening risk or risk of permanent severe injury presents itself I have no problem with a cop using lethal force.

If a cop uses lethal force and he is wrong and there was no risk of that level of injury occurring, and there was no compelling reason to believe that risk existed, the cop is out of luck and i would vote to convict if i was on his jury.

If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway

Really depends on level of threat, cops cant use lethal force until a certain threshold is reached.

I will give cops the benefit of the doubt and try to see if there was a compelling reason to believe that level of threat existed, but in the absence of even that, they should be convicted.