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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
    Take Lebron off the team. How many teams in the L would have a worse best player than Mo Williams? You can't say they are stacked from man 3-down either. Old Shaq? Sideshow Bob? Big Z? Delonte West with all his problems? Can you name 16 teams they would be better than? 20? 25? You don't need to explain it. Just list teams.

    I say all these teams in bold clearly>the Cavs without Lebron. Some of the others are debatable. This is speculation. We won't know for sure unless he gets hurt for an extended period of time or leaves in the summer.

    Western W ▾ L
    LA Lakers C 33 10
    Dallas C 28 15
    Denver C 28 14
    Portland C 26 18
    San Antonio C 25 17
    Phoenix C 25 19
    Houston C 24 18
    Oklahoma City C 24 19
    Utah C 24 18
    New Orleans C 23 19
    Memphis C 23 19
    LA Clippers C 19 23

    Sacramento C 15 27
    Golden State C 13 28
    Minnesota C 9 35

    Cleveland C 33 11
    Orlando C 28 15
    Atlanta C 28 14
    Boston C 28 13
    Toronto C 22 22
    Miami C 22 20
    Charlotte C 21 20
    Chicago C 19 22
    New York C 17 25
    Milwaukee C 17 24

    Indiana C 15 28
    Detroit C 15 27
    Washington C 14 28
    Philadelphia C 14 28
    New Jersey C 3 39
    what is this all supposed to prove...?

    if lebron bolts they are not even going to try and put a solid team out there? Replace lebron with danny granger and the team is still fighting for the 3 or 4 seed in the east.

    lebron is playing some of the best basketball i have ever seen, but some of you guys are going overboard. its almost as bad as when espn creates random stat scenarios that lebron tops for the sole purpose of worshipping.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by lilgodfather1
    Without James the Cavs would struggle to pull out 30 wins. I doubt the playoffs would be feasible. It's not so much that LeBron is worth 35+ wins, it is because without LeBron the team has no facilitator. People bring up Boobie, Mo and Parkers shooting, well how would they be shooting without as many open looks. Mo would be getting doubled every time down the floor, and Shaq would be still Shaq averaging the same numbers. JJ would score much much less and Varajao offensively would be useless as most of his points come off of James passes. Z would probobally just retire, or give up.


    REALLY?!


    Come on guys. Its not that black and white.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    There is no doubt that Lebron is Today the player who has the most impact on the game. this is not even questionnable. Put Lebron in a normal-average good team as Grizzlies this season and they will become title contenders automatically. Regardless that being in East is easier than the West, which is more stacked not having Lebron would make the cavs a no-chance team. wether they reached the playoffs or not it would be irrelevant cos u would know for sure they would never make it to the Finals. no way in hell.

    Seriously I dont get the point of Lakers fans which try to overrate Lebron's teammates just to make the gap between him and Kobe shorter. Today Lebron is the very best. Everybody outside biased fans are certain about this.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Pretty stupid comments by Ron Ron, which certainly isn't a surprise. The Cavaliers' organization have built the team around LeBron's skillset. You need to surround him with good outside shooters (Mo, AP, Z, Boobie, Delonte), hustle guys (AV), defensive assets and teammates that aren't too insecure to take a backseat.

    Sure... A team full of big names may look better, on paper, but there aren't many supporting casts that would actually fit LeBron's style of play as well as the Cavs.... If any at all.

    And, yes... Take LeBron off of the Cavs and they are average at best. But, the team has been built around LeBron and he is the catalyst for everything. Take that away and they may struggle... What a shocking development.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    They wouldnt get nearly as many calls without James, that alone makes them better. You cant breathe near Le***** without a whistle.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    so can i infer that lakers without kobe are still something?

    and going with that idea. lebron > kobe

    nice work ron.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Vinsanity
    They wouldnt get nearly as many calls without James, that alone makes them better. You cant breathe near Le***** without a whistle.
    Oh please, Dwight gets more FT's than Lebron, even though he takes less than half as many shots. And that's not even counting all the offensive fouls he gets away with.

    Meanwhile Durant and Melo get the exact same amount of calls as Lebron, and noone complains about that.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron


    So cleveland is not gonna win this year, is that mean by artest?

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by Artest
    They're nothing. Not that they're nothing, they're still human beings.
    Am I the only one that could imagine Mike Tyson saying something like this? I bet they have similar types of insanity if anyone has bothered to diagnose them yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Meticode
    Yea, Artest is dissing Kobe. I'd be pissed if I was Kobe.
    He should shoot him in the ass. Rape his dog. No end to the vengeance for this colossal insult.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Clevland wouldnt win 40+ gms without Bron. And with the East being weak saying playoffs? I wouldnt rule it impossible but when you look at thier playoff push? They'll be a team like 2-3gms out of the 8th seed yet below .500 team record wise. Team isnt full of bums/scrubs but alot of how that team was built was due to having Lebron James. Mo Williams isnt setting up guys, running an offense like the position in which he plays. Team full of shooters, spot up shooters. And last I checked? Shaq isnt the Shaq of old.

    28-33 wins is the range I see for that Clevland team.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
    Pretty stupid comments by Ron Ron, which certainly isn't a surprise. The Cavaliers' organization have built the team around LeBron's skillset. You need to surround him with good outside shooters (Mo, AP, Z, Boobie, Delonte), hustle guys (AV), defensive assets and teammates that aren't too insecure to take a backseat.

    Sure... A team full of big names may look better, on paper, but there aren't many supporting casts that would actually fit LeBron's style of play as well as the Cavs.... If any at all.

    And, yes... Take LeBron off of the Cavs and they are average at best. But, the team has been built around LeBron and he is the catalyst for everything. Take that away and they may struggle... What a shocking development.
    Agree completely.

    Lebron's supporting cast may not be all-stars but they are perfect fits for him. full of shooters and hard working hussle guys.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by All Net
    Agree completely.

    Lebron's supporting cast may not be all-stars but they are perfect fits for him. full of shooters and hard working hussle guys.
    No it's not.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharcyde
    No it's not.
    No it's not what? your post made zero sense.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    I think any team with Shaq, and his reputation, could still field a somewhat respectable squad, and there has to be some sort of ruboff from all the winning they do. There is a winning pedigree in place, but yes, without LeBron, the Cavs would be in big trouble. Artest isn't saying anything groundbreaking here.

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    Default Re: Artest: Cleveland Is 'Nothing' Without LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by All Net
    No it's not what? your post made zero sense.
    They aren't "perfect fits".

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