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Old 08-17-2019, 02:42 PM   #46
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Default Re: Why did Shaq get swept by this guy?

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Shaq needed someone to:

-Be the playmaker
-Be the main defender
-Be the vocal leader
-Be the on court leader
-Hit all of the clutch and high pressure shots

And that is okay.

The last 3 never happened, and the first 2 MJ had someone for as well.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:46 PM   #47
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Wait this is the so called "elite rim protection" that MJ had to face

This fatso wouldn't even make a G league roster in today's league
Plus these 2 dudes is what comprised of Utah's BIG 3 White stiffs




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Old 08-17-2019, 02:50 PM   #48
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The last 3 never happened, and the first 2 MJ had someone for as well.
Kyrie and Wade were equal or better assist/playmaking guys than Pippen

So Lebron had just as much playmaking help as MJ... and much more scoring help at the #2 spot too, with FAR more scoring help at the #3 spot.

btw, lebron had Hughes/Wade/Battier/Varejao - that's 4 all-nba defenders (more than the 3 that MJ played with), and FAR better rim protection (5 guys at 1 bpg or more, compared to 0 for MJ)
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:59 PM   #49
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Kyrie and Wade were equal or better assist/playmaking guys than Pippen

So Lebron had just as much playmaking help as MJ... and much more scoring help at the #2 spot too, with FAR more scoring help at the #3 spot.

btw, lebron had Hughes/Wade/Battier/Varejao - that's 4 all-nba defenders (more than the 3 that MJ played with), and FAR better rim protection (5 guys at 1 bpg or more, compared to 0 for MJ)
Those 3 never got All-Defensive nods while being teammates with James.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:07 PM   #50
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Those 3 never got All-Defensive nods while being teammates with James.

Still great defenders, plus Lebron had 5 good rim protectors to MJ's 0

So Lebron played with more good defenders than MJ.... 4 all-nba defenders + 5 shot-blocking bigs > 3 all-nba defenders and 0 shot-blocking bigs

Blocks... Mosgov (1.5), Zydrunas (2.3), Shaq (1.5), Chandler and McGee > Cartwright (0.5 blk) and Longley (0.3)

Ultimately, Lebron had greater offensive AND defensive help.. yet only 3 rings because he plays an inferior way.. A ton of help and a ton of stat totals, yet only 3 rings - that means he's doing something wrong compared to MJ, who got more rings with less help and less stat totals... And the thing Lebron does wrong compared to mj is less stats PER GAME and too much ball-dominance/less ball-movement
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:14 PM   #51
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Still great defenders, plus Lebron had 5 good rim protectors to MJ's 0

So Lebron played with more good defenders than MJ.... 4 all-nba defenders + 5 shot-blocking bigs > 3 all-nba defenders and 0 shot-blocking bigs

Blocks... Mosgov (1.5), Zydrunas (2.3), Shaq (1.5), Chandler and McGee > Cartwright (0.5 blk) and Longley (0.3)

Ultimately, Lebron had greater offensive AND defensive help.. yet only 3 rings because he plays an inferior way.. A ton of help and a ton of stat totals, yet only 3 rings - that means he's doing something wrong compared to MJ, who got more rings with less help and less stat totals... And the thing Lebron does wrong compared to mj is less stats PER GAME and too much ball-dominance/less ball-movement
What not say:

Okay, I lied again.... you got me

They were great defenders at one point, just not when they were teammates with LeBron. Simple as that.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:34 PM   #52
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Okay, I lied again.... you got me

They were great defenders at one point, just not when they were teammates with LeBron. Simple as that.


you're a total liar.

battier, wade and varejeo were all great defenders when they were playing with lebron.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:42 PM   #53
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you're a total liar.

battier, wade and varejeo were all great defenders when they were playing with lebron.
I dont think you know what great means.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:45 PM   #54
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Kyrie and Wade were equal or better assist/playmaking guys than Pippen

So Lebron had just as much playmaking help as MJ... and much more scoring help at the #2 spot too, with FAR more scoring help at the #3 spot.

btw, lebron had Hughes/Wade/Battier/Varejao - that's 4 all-nba defenders (more than the 3 that MJ played with), and FAR better rim protection (5 guys at 1 bpg or more, compared to 0 for MJ)

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Old 08-17-2019, 03:50 PM   #55
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career apg:

kyrie - 5.7
pippen - 5.3


kyrie is recognized as one of the best PG's in the game

pippen was never a pg, let alone one of the best

otoh, mj was literally considered better than Magic and Isiah after just a few games at PG, and averaged 30/9/11 overall at PG .. this included 10 triple doubles in 11 games.. Pippen isn't capable of that and was never a guy to break anyone down off the dribble
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Old 08-17-2019, 04:07 PM   #56
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career apg:

kyrie - 5.7
pippen - 5.3


kyrie is recognized as one of the best PG's in the game

pippen was never a pg, let alone one of the best

otoh, mj was literally considered better than Magic and Isiah after just a few games at PG, and averaged 30/9/11 overall at PG .. this included 10 triple doubles in 11 games.. Pippen isn't capable of that and was never a guy to break anyone down off the dribble
career apg:

LeBron - 7.23
Jordan - 5.25
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:19 PM   #57
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career apg:

LeBron - 7.23
Jordan - 5.25
a couple assists at the expense of ball movement, player development, a system, and the possibility of sustainable, organic championships..

Oh, and at the expense of 5 ppg in the playoffs or mj's regular season bulls career.

Finally - when MJ played PG, he averaged more apg (11) than Lebron ever did.... and even when MJ didn't play PG (91 Finals), he still averaged more apg than Lebron ever did..

ultimately, only mj was goat-level on-ball and off-ball, and this superior skillset fit with more player types for better teams.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:12 PM   #58
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Lebron #11

Agreed
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:22 PM   #59
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Why is OP scared of Shaq?
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