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    MJ did Have More Help Than Other High Scoring Playres So Lets Not Overrate Him With Pippen as the Point-Forward But Then Again Jordan Was Targeted Way More than Pippen and Defenses Would Concentrate More on Him Than Pippen (they still couldn`t stop him but he would force more double teams living wide open players for easier assists). So He Had More Help Than Other Superstars Of His Time But He Still Was The Best at His Position No Matter What Other Stat You Look Up.

    This Is Also Why Charles Barkley is So Underrated Compared to Other Great Players Just look at His Offensive Rating Per Usage%. Magic had Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo, Scott, Green and Divac, Jordan Had Pippen and Grant. Bird Had McHale, Parish and DJ. So They Had More Offensive and Defensive Help Than Barkley Barkley Who had What? Hawkins? (before Getting to the Suns)

    http://www.rootzoo.com/articles/view...cs-Primer_3549

    Putting it together: Offensive Rating. By now, you're probably impatient for a number that tells us how efficient a player is overall with the possessions that he uses, and the answer comes in the form of Dean Oliver's Offensive Rating (OR). The formula is a bit complicated to reproduce here (I refer you to Oliver's excellent Basketball on Paper for its full derivation), but it suffices to say that Offensive Rating provides a rating of how many points a player scores per 100 possessions that he uses while on the floor. The league's typical rating has varied throughout history, but today stands at around 107.

    [COLOR="DarkRed"]The best OR belong to jump-shooting guards and, to a lesser extent, high-percentage post players. The career leaders are Steve Kerr (122.06), Reggie Miller (121.48), Magic Johnson (120.79), John Stockton (120.55), and Kiki Vandeweghe (119.49)(BIG TIME INSTANT OFFENSE PLAYER)[/COLOR].

    [COLOR="Red"]In general, the more possessions that a player uses, the lower we expect his OR to bebecause player who use more possessions have to use more possessions in precarious situations.[/COLOR],

    [COLOR="Blue"]If a player has a high career Usage Rate and a high OR, that indicates that he is a monster on offense[/COLOR]. [COLOR="blue"]Magic Johnson falls into this category, as does Charles Barkley (119.31), Adran Dantley (118.40), the incomparable Michael Jordan (who, with the highest career Usage Rate, had a career OR of 117.97, the 13th best in history), and Dirk Nowitzki (117.80).[/COLOR]
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    I didn't know that but nothing surprises me when it comes to MJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClipperRevival
    I didn't know that but nothing surprises me when it comes to MJ.
    What about when you found out that Pippen was longer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derivative
    Michael Jordan is #19 all time in turnover % at 9.34%.
    Weird. I was just looking at this list the other day too.

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    Very impressive, Turnovers are very important to the flow of an offense, frustration of players and what not.

    Not surprised to see him rank so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derivative
    Michael Jordan is #19 all time in turnover % at 9.34%.

    Let this sink in, out of all the players in history(thousands of players), Michael Jordan is 19th lowest in turnover %. This is insanely good considering that Jordan has the highest usage % in history, and was the player who had the ball the most.

    Out of the top 50 in turnover %, only Jordan is a primary ball handler, all the rest are either bigman or spot up shooters. This shows how insanely good Jordan is at protecting the ball and making the most of of each possession.

    Consider the other great player's career turnover %:

    Kobe Bryant: 11.45%
    Chris Paul: 13%
    Larry Bird: 12.7%
    Magic Johnson: 19.4%
    Lebron James: 12.1%
    Shaquille O'Neal: 11.9%
    Kareem Abdul-Kabbar: 13.4%
    Charles Barkley: 14.8%

    Michael Jordan: 9.34%

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    OP, can you go even further, and find out jordan's three best seasons in terms of lowest turnover rate versus usage rate ?

    I want my "93 MJ uber alles" to be further proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real Cavs Fan
    What about when you found out that Pippen was longer?

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