Is Manu Ginobili top 10 SG all time?

[rmt]

both have fmvps, and won the ring as the leader and man. Skillwise they're quite similar. Manu beats Wade in terms of longetitvity, wade wins in peak.

Are you really comparing the NBA to Euroleague? Manu does not beat Wade in terms of longevity. They are equally talented, but in different ways.

Wade 24.1 pts 36.2 mins/game 12 seasons 28302 RS mins.
Manu 14.3 pts 26.7 mins/game 13 seasons 23135 RS mins.

[TheBigVeto]

Is he top 10 sg all time?

Yes
He is 3rd best after Michael Jordan and John Havlicek.

[r0drig0lac]

Is he top 10 sg all time?

yup, it is certainly better than Vince, Miller and Allen.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

EASILY

On the all-time list? Probably so, has a great case at least.

In terms of peaks/primes? Don't think so... For consideration, you got dudes like Jordan, Kobe, West, Wade, Drexler, Gervin, Iverson, Moncrief, T-Mac (if you consider him more of a SG), Pistol Pete, Carter, David Thompson, DJ (more of a SG at his best), Monroe, Westphal, Reggie, Dumars, Richmond...

05 Manu is better than all of those peaks except the first 4 and TMac was an SF. He was the best player of the playoffs, better than Duncan. Robbed of FMVP mutilated Detroits alltime D, outplayed peak Ray Allen and MVP Nash headtohead. Eviscerated Denver, that is one of the GOAT SG title runs better than any postseason out of anyone there except the first 4

[TheMarkMadsen]

he's difficult to judge on an all time status

[houston]

hell no

[rmt]

EASILY



05 Manu is better than all of those peaks except the first 4 and TMac was an SF. He was the best player of the playoffs, better than Duncan. Robbed of FMVP mutilated Detroits alltime D, outplayed peak Ray Allen and MVP Nash headtohead. Eviscerated Denver, that is one of the GOAT SG title runs better than any postseason out of anyone there except the first 4

Your memory is faulty. 05 (16 pts) is not even Manu's best year - 08 was (19.5 pts).

Do you even check before you spout off nonsense like above. Drexler AVERAGED 20.4 pts over his 15 year career including his rookie year when he averaged 7.7 pts. Gervin AVERAGED 25.1 pts over his 14 year career. Iverson AVERAGED 26.7 pts over his 16 year career. Sidney Moncrief had 5 years where he averaged more than 05 Manu. Pistol Pete AVERAGED 24.2 over his 10 year career. Vince AVERAGED 19.4 (including 5.4 pt last year) over his 18 year career. I'm not even gonna look up the rest.

2004-05
Duncan 20.3 pts / 11.1 rebs / 2.7 asst / 2.6 blks
Parker 16.6 pts / 6.1 asst 48.2%
Manu 16 pts / 3.9 asst

2005 Playoffs
Duncan 23.6 pts / 12.4 rebs / 2.7 asst / 2.3 blks
Manu 20.8 pts / 4.2 asst

And he was not better than Duncan either in the regular season or playoffs especially when considering defense.

[Mike Armstrong]

Is he top 10 sg all time?

Yarp.

[ClipperRevival]

A lot of the players you listed are franchise players. Manu has averaged over 30 minutes only twice in his career: 30.3 and 31.1 mins. - don't think you want so few minutes production from a franchise player. He's well suited to the 6th man role - because he comes in ready to produce - going full speed ahead but fizzles if he plays too long.

When he's tired, he's made some devastatingly boneheaded moves that have cost the Spurs big time - Dirk's foul and rushing to the basket against 3 Heat players. He is also fragile, injury-prone, and takes a LONG time to get back into rhythm.

But there aren't many players I would take over Manu for one play at the end of the game. He is clutch, bold, aggressive, sometimes crazy and full of HEART and guts. Great team mate too and some of those passes, oh-la-la

Good point about workload and how carrying more of a burden and playing more minutes does affect a player's effectiveness.

[ClipperRevival]

EASILY



05 Manu is better than all of those peaks except the first 4 and TMac was an SF. He was the best player of the playoffs, better than Duncan. Robbed of FMVP mutilated Detroits alltime D, outplayed peak Ray Allen and MVP Nash headtohead. Eviscerated Denver, that is one of the GOAT SG title runs better than any postseason out of anyone there except the first 4

Aren't you going a bit overboard with the Manu love?

[Wally450]

Who would you rather take at age 20, Ray Allen or Manu?

[BIG FURB]

Manu overrated as hell, only reason this is a question is because he was blessed to play with a true alltime great big man his whole career. On a team where he's the main guy he's Latrell Sprewell level at most (which is not a knock, Sprewell was a baaaaad man)

[bizil]

I don't Manu is a top 10 SG peak wise OR GOAT wise. I think he's more of a top 15-20 guy in both aspects. BUT in terms of total all around ability, I think u could make a case that's he's a top 10 SG of all time:

- At his peak, could play and defend PG, SG, and SF
- Great scoring skillset
- Numbers wise, capable of getting 20 points-5 dimes-5 boards

So looking at SG's historically, u won't find many of them who brought all of this to the table. But the two things that hurt Manu's standing are dominance and durability. He CERTAINLY had the tools to be a top 10 SG of all time peak wise and GOAT wise. He was just missing a couple of factors.

[StephHamann]

Vince Carter or Manu?