Originally Posted by adamcz
Without shoes is far more important because it's a far more reliable measurement. The "with shoes" measures are completely unreliable, varying by as much as 3 inches depending on the type of shoes the player is wearing. There is never a guarantee that the player will play games in the same pair of shoes that he showed up to the measuring session in.
Players who show up to two combines (because they withdrew from the draft after the first one due to seeing their low draft stock) almost always get taller "in shoes" but don't get taller "out of shoes." Think about that. If you want hard data to back that up, search for the article about it at brewhoop.com.
What he said.
I don't go around telling people I'm 6 foot, since I usally walk around in shoes, I am 5'10". Is their weight with shoes and clothes on too?
I had no idea players listed heights were in shoes until recently... it makes no sense IMO.