Morey, Hinkie suck

[90sgoat]

These guys and their 'advanced value drafting' are the most overrated people in the game.

What has Morey done for all his praise, he has a 8 baby momma center with zero post moves and he has lazy no d shooting guard.

Wow! Such general managing.

The same with Hinkie, now for the third year putting out abysmal basketball and betting on a guy who will be Oden 2.0 while his draft picks Noel and Okafor are hardly world beaters and his other draft pick Carter-Williams chokes it up for another club.

These so called 'modern' General Managers are pure crap. They have literally won NOTHING with their tank job and 'best value' mentality.

All the while old school guys like Popovich and Jerry West put together world beating teams out of role players.

Lol just lol at thinking the tank and draft mentality will get you anywhere.

[SwishSquared]

Spurs were pioneers in using analytics in basketball, just as they were in monitoring players' rest.

My understand is that the Warriors have a great analytics staff. They play their own version of "Morey Ball" by optimizing a mix of strategies created by D'Antoni and Pop.

Also Hinkie helped Morey accumulate the picks and players used in the Harden trade, which you probably know, so they share similar philosophies. You wouldn't trade an expiring vet, a late lotto rookie, a future late lotto pick, and an early 20s pick in order to lock up a top player through his peak?

MCW is not a good starting PG when you factor in offense. Noel is below average on offense but really good on D. Okafor is kinda the inverse. Embiid is most likely a bust. 76ers haven't tried to field a roster that can win 20 games. They want to trade for a star or draft one- hence continued tanking until they are comfortable that they get a couple stars. Risky strategy, who knows if it will work for them. Need luck in any successful team build imo

[DukeDelonte13]

Morey is media friendly so he's gonna get lost of love from the media.

I agree, I think he is overrated along with Ujiri.

I have mixed feelings on Hinkie. I think taking Embiid at 3 was a move that many other GM's would have made.

[DMAVS41]

These guys and their 'advanced value drafting' are the most overrated people in the game.

What has Morey done for all his praise, he has a 8 baby momma center with zero post moves and he has lazy no d shooting guard.

Wow! Such general managing.

The same with Hinkie, now for the third year putting out abysmal basketball and betting on a guy who will be Oden 2.0 while his draft picks Noel and Okafor are hardly world beaters and his other draft pick Carter-Williams chokes it up for another club.

These so called 'modern' General Managers are pure crap. They have literally won NOTHING with their tank job and 'best value' mentality.

All the while old school guys like Popovich and Jerry West put together world beating teams out of role players.

Lol just lol at thinking the tank and draft mentality will get you anywhere.

Comparing the Spurs and Lakers situations is kind of silly.

For starters, the Spurs got Duncan in the draft...coming off a season they essentially tanked.

The Lakers...well, they were the Lakers....Shaq wanted to go there...the trade for Kobe was smart...no doubt there, but the Sixers have made some amazing trades as well

The Noel trade will go down as one of the best trades in NBA history if Noel continues to progress....and or if Saric is legit as well

Morey built a really really really good team last year. And I like the addition of Lawson, but they have to bring him off the bench because starting him really doesn't make sense next to Harden both offensively and defensively

So...I don't know...pretty easy to build a team around Duncan or Shaq / Kobe

It's hard to do what Morey and Hinkie have tried to do...

[RoseCity07]

Spurs not only get underrated talent but they get guys that fit a system. Team guys that really know how to play. Every other team gets its hands on a star and all they do is give it to that one guy all game. Rocket's GM is a stat whore. Loser ass teams with overrated chuckers. The only player I'd want from them is Brewer.

[90sgoat]

Comparing the Spurs and Lakers situations is kind of silly.

For starters, the Spurs got Duncan in the draft...coming off a season they essentially tanked.

The Lakers...well, they were the Lakers....Shaq wanted to go there...the trade for Kobe was smart...no doubt there, but the Sixers have made some amazing trades as well

The Noel trade will go down as one of the best trades in NBA history if Noel continues to progress....and or if Saric is legit as well

Morey built a really really really good team last year. And I like the addition of Lawson, but they have to bring him off the bench because starting him really doesn't make sense next to Harden both offensively and defensively

So...I don't know...pretty easy to build a team around Duncan or Shaq / Kobe

It's hard to do what Morey and Hinkie have tried to do...

If we look back at champs the last 20 years, who has won it?

Bird Celtics
Magic Lakers
MJ Bulls
Duncan Spurs
Hakeem Rockets

Bad Boy Pistons
Bad Boy Pistons 00 edition
3 and Chuck Warriors
Pop Spurs
Shaq Lakers
Shaq Miami
Veteran Celtics
Collude Miami

One thing becomes clear. The only teams who won through drafting was those who drafted a top 10 GOAT.

Literally, those teams who drafted players and stuck with them only won if they lucked out and drafted a top 10 GOAT.

The rest of the teams won through creating a winning environment which other players wanted to join and making good offseason moves (Celtics, Miami, Lakers) or through creating a strong team identity based on defense and deference to the team concept.

This idea that you can draft value and wheel and deal until you have just the right pieces doesn't seem to have any proof behind it.

It's on thing to tank when you know a potential GOAT is coming along, which everyone knew with Tim Duncan, it's another to tank in weak drafts with unproven high school players. No one knew Garnett or Kobe would turn out as they did and they mostly don't.

Philly is tanking to get mediocre players or players with very risky prospects.

The old school way to win is to build a strong team with a strong concept and a strong identity, then you look to add the one missing piece who can get it done. Plug and Play. You can't just flip a switch and say start winning, without considering the base of the team and the chemistry.

Bird did a fantastic job with the Pacers in building that core around David West and PG, while letting the team and it's defensive effort be the identity. He even made Roy Hibbert and All Star because of it and they came very close to the finals.

[Akrazotile]

The fact is there is no science to it and these teams are ALL guessing for the most part.

You need to be lucky to have a Shaq, Duncan, Lebron etc come along if you wanna build an automatic perennial contender. Otherwise you may win a chip here or there if circumstances come together in a given year, but for the most part its simply about lucking into talent. GM's who do get praised, tho who dont get jeered.

[90sgoat]

The fact is there is no science to it and these teams are ALL guessing for the most part.

You need to be lucky to have a Shaq, Duncan, Lebron etc come along if you wanna build an automatic perennial contender. Otherwise you may win a chip here or there if circumstances come together in a given year, but for the most part its simply about lucking into talent. GM's who do get praised, tho who dont get jeered.

Yes, there's luck involved, A LOT of luck, such as not picking Sam Bowie or Oden, but there's also retard drafting such as Darko or Bennet.

My point is, there really is zero proof that you can draft, wheel and deal yourself into a contender.

What best you do is to build a great team and great culture. It begins with having a great coach who is allowed to actually run the team and dicipline the players.

There's so few coaches who have actually won rings if you look at it. Pop, PJ, Riley, these are not flukes. Riley did it with Lakers, came close with Knicks, won with Heat, won as an exec. Bird came close as a coach with the Pacers and came close as an exec. PJ we all know, Pop we all know.

You need to build from the top down, you can't let players run the show, you need to know what you are about and what that plan looks like 1-5-10 years in the future.

[DMAVS41]

If we look back at champs the last 20 years, who has won it?

Bird Celtics
Magic Lakers
MJ Bulls
Duncan Spurs
Hakeem Rockets

Bad Boy Pistons
Bad Boy Pistons 00 edition
3 and Chuck Warriors
Pop Spurs
Shaq Lakers
Shaq Miami
Veteran Celtics
Collude Miami

One thing becomes clear. The only teams who won through drafting was those who drafted a top 10 GOAT.

Literally, those teams who drafted players and stuck with them only won if they lucked out and drafted a top 10 GOAT.

The rest of the teams won through creating a winning environment which other players wanted to join and making good offseason moves (Celtics, Miami, Lakers) or through creating a strong team identity based on defense and deference to the team concept.

This idea that you can draft value and wheel and deal until you have just the right pieces doesn't seem to have any proof behind it.

It's on thing to tank when you know a potential GOAT is coming along, which everyone knew with Tim Duncan, it's another to tank in weak drafts with unproven high school players. No one knew Garnett or Kobe would turn out as they did and they mostly don't.

Philly is tanking to get mediocre players or players with very risky prospects.

The old school way to win is to build a strong team with a strong concept and a strong identity, then you look to add the one missing piece who can get it done. Plug and Play. You can't just flip a switch and say start winning, without considering the base of the team and the chemistry.

Bird did a fantastic job with the Pacers in building that core around David West and PG, while letting the team and it's defensive effort be the identity. He even made Roy Hibbert and All Star because of it and they came very close to the finals.

LOL...the old school way is lucking into all time great players.

The NBA title is the hardest title to win because you can't fluke it.

You really think teams are just giving up all time great players to the Sixers...a team that had basically no trade assets before Hinkie came? How are the Sixers getting all these really good vets you speak of? Who wants to go to a team with Jrue, Evan Turner, Thad Young, Elton Brand, Iggy, Hawes, and Lou Williams...or whatever mediocre team they had? You think that is a superstar destination in free agency? Sorry, not happening.

I don't see your point...you say "look at who's won the title"

Okay...

Curry
Lebron
Dirk
Kobe
KG
Duncan
Shaq
MJ
Hakeem

And then you have the loaded 80's teams...

It almost always take an ATG player in his prime. Yea, you have a few exceptions, but the Spurs were able to win in 14 in large part because of Duncan (who they drafted) and Leonard (who they basically drafted with the Hill trade)

The Pistons had certain players in place that could actually contribute to winning a title. Who, other than Iggy, are you confident in on those Sixers teams that could play big roles on championship teams?

The Sixers had nothing like that on the roster before Hinkie arrived....trading for one wasn't happening in this environment...

So what do you want him to do? Just keep being a 45 win team in the East with no chance to win? You have to have some semblance of a building block to win titles...The sixers didn't have one so they rightfully cleared house. They are literally trying to do all the things you are saying it takes to win. So your points really fall flat here.

Morey got a superstar and then made a move for Howard. Two guys that actually fit well together. The Rockets teams have actually been pretty well built. You are being such a prisoner of the moment here...and it really doesn't speak to anything other than Harden playing absolutely awful right now.

If you switched Harden and Curry right now...the Warriors would be a much worse team than the Rockets...that is how bad Harden has been...and this coming off last season in which the two were basically equals in the regular season.

Both franchises are trying their best to win titles...I like that approach a lot more than what a team like the Pelicans did...

[JtotheIzzo]

Morey's assembled a great roster. better than anything Houston would have done otherwise, not sure where the hate is coming from...

[game3524]

LOL...the old school way is lucking into all time great players.

The NBA title is the hardest title to win because you can't fluke it.

You really think teams are just giving up all time great players to the Sixers...a team that had basically no trade assets before Hinkie came? How are the Sixers getting all these really good vets you speak of? Who wants to go to a team with Jrue, Evan Turner, Thad Young, Elton Brand, Iggy, Hawes, and Lou Williams...or whatever mediocre team they had? You think that is a superstar destination in free agency? Sorry, not happening.

I don't see your point...you say "look at who's won the title"

Okay...

Curry
Lebron
Dirk
Kobe
KG
Duncan
Shaq
MJ
Hakeem

And then you have the loaded 80's teams...

It almost always take an ATG player in his prime. Yea, you have a few exceptions, but the Spurs were able to win in 14 in large part because of Duncan (who they drafted) and Leonard (who they basically drafted with the Hill trade)

The Pistons had certain players in place that could actually contribute to winning a title. Who, other than Iggy, are you confident in on those Sixers teams that could play big roles on championship teams?

The Sixers had nothing like that on the roster before Hinkie arrived....trading for one wasn't happening in this environment...

So what do you want him to do? Just keep being a 45 win team in the East with no chance to win? You have to have some semblance of a building block to win titles...The sixers didn't have one so they rightfully cleared house. They are literally trying to do all the things you are saying it takes to win. So your points really fall flat here.

Morey got a superstar and then made a move for Howard. Two guys that actually fit well together. The Rockets teams have actually been pretty well built. You are being such a prisoner of the moment here...and it really doesn't speak to anything other than Harden playing absolutely awful right now.

If you switched Harden and Curry right now...the Warriors would be a much worse team than the Rockets...that is how bad Harden has been...and this coming off last season in which the two were basically equals in the regular season.

Both franchises are trying their best to win titles...I like that approach a lot more than what a team like the Pelicans did...

Bingo.

The Sixers spent the majority of the early post Iverson years being a treadmill team. They had a ton of talent from 2008-12, but no legitimate franchise player that could get them over the hump.

Hinkie isn't a god, but at least he realizes that being middle of the pack is the worst place to be in the NBA.

[DMAVS41]

Bingo.

The Sixers spent the majority of the early post Iverson years being a treadmill team. They had a ton of talent from 2008-12, but no legitimate franchise player that could get them over the hump.

Hinkie isn't a god, but at least he realizes that being mid of the pack is the worst place to be in the NBA.

Right, and you weren't getting one either unless it was through the draft. It was some pretty good talent...I'd hesitate calling it "a ton"...it wasn't good enough to attract a legit franchise player

[game3524]

Right, and you weren't getting one either unless it was through the draft. It was some pretty good talent...I'd hesitate calling it "a ton"...it wasn't good enough to attract a legit franchise player

We attracted Brand.

[DMAVS41]

We attracted Brand.

[Phantom_Blue]

Too bad you can't measure "Heart" and "Chemistry" with analytics, though I'm sure they'll try.