why are Kobe's stats.....

[gts]

Gladdens my heart to see Kobe haters are still obsessed with him after 17 years in the league

The best part of Kobe's career besides his being one of the all time greats to ever play the game is that it drives people to the point of stupidity trying to discredit him.

[kNicKz]

smart players dont take those kinds of shots.

Kobe is a stupid player now? lmao

5 rings....everyone in the league is just playing catch up at this point

[kNicKz]

Because he spent a couple of years getting minimal playing time?

statters gonna stat

[f0und]

Efficiency goes down with volume. Who else has averaged 35.4 in a season ? That is pretty crazy man. Besides, a solid shooting guard averages in the .45-.5 range anyway. You're dissecting 3-4% differences?

but the thing is, kobe kids dont think he's some solid shooting guard. if that was so, nobody would have a problem with it. its when they try to sell you that he's this GOAT level player on par with legit GOATs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because he spent a couple of years getting minimal playing time?

For all the people who talk about context, they seem to never look at his career averages with any context

[f0und]

Kobe is a stupid player now? lmao

5 rings....everyone in the league is just playing catch up at this point

yes. always has been

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe has Jordan moments? The man has no signature playoffs moments in his career. Unless you count shooting 6-24 in the biggest game of your career

[kNicKz]

but the thing is, kobe kids dont think he's some solid shooting guard. if that was so, nobody would have a problem with it. its when they try to sell you that he's this GOAT level player on par with legit GOATs.

He is one of the greatest to ever do it, that simply can't be denied. He isn't on Jordan's level, but he is on the level right below it

[scm5]

It's not a denial of greatness.

It's just that for someone to claim some of the things they do about Kobe...it would have to show up a little more in objective measures.

Making the finals 7 times and winning 5 rings is an amazing accomplishment, but you wouldn't look at it without context. Just like you don't look at stats without context.

So in the same way you look at ppg on overall efficiency...you need to look at circumstances in which team success is had.

Which is why I always laugh when Kobe stans claim that playing with Shaq hurt his legacy. Absurd. The truth is that the fall back is always "ring count"...

Kobe having marginally better numbers, if at all, without Shaq would never make up for the 4 finals and 3 rings with him.

It's actually not inconceivable that Kobe might have been able to pull that off if paired with another all-star big.

Paired with Pau, Kobe was able to make it to three more finals and obtain two more rings on the tail end of his prime.

Another argument Kobe fans often use is that without his first two years on the bench, Kobe's stats jump up to something like 28/6/5. While I agree this is nitpicking stats, it's also not as fair to Kobe as he came into the league earlier and less developed than MJ. If we took out MJ's Washington days and just too his numbers from 21-34, along with Kobe's numbers from 21-34.... which was pretty much their windows for winning championships...

28/6/5 on 55.5% TS%

vs

31/6/5 on 56.9% TS%

Doesn't seem all that far apart to me.

I mean, in the end, does it REALLY matter that Kobe maybe wasn't NBA-starter ready at the beginning of his career and MJ was? He was younger and less developed.

[kNicKz]

Kobe has Jordan moments? The man has no signature playoffs moments in his career. Unless you count shooting 6-24 in the biggest game of your career

He grabbed 15 rebounds in that game and the dagger came off of an assist from Kobe. And that wasn't the biggest game of his career. He had 4 rings at that point he just punched in that day and did what he always does. Win

[gts]

but the thing is, kobe kids dont think he's some solid shooting guard. if that was so, nobody would have a problem with it. its when they try to sell you that he's this GOAT level player on par with legit GOATs.

He is, learn to live with it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He grabbed 15 rebounds in that game and the dagger came off of an assist from Kobe. And that wasn't the biggest game of his career. He had 4 rings at that point he just punched in that day and did what he always does. Win

No notable playoff moments. He doesn't have a Flu Game, LeBron game 5 against Detroit, etc. The guy is a watered down Jordan that won the bulk of his rings as a little bitch sidekick. Not impressed at all. Dude is 1st round fodder unless he has the best frontcourt and coach in the league. Overrated.

[kNicKz]

He is, learn to live with it.

He is a top 10 talent , and his longevity at this point is boosting him even more

[zoom17]

Another kobe bashing thread I dont like kobe and I think Lebron is a better player but give him credit. Lebron is good kobe is good and Jordan is good quit comparing them all the time.

[riseagainst]

No notable playoff moments. He doesn't have a Flu Game, LeBron game 5 against Detroit, etc. The guy is a watered down Jordan that won the bulk of his rings as a little bitch sidekick. Not impressed at all. Dude is 1st round fodder unless he has the best frontcourt and coach in the league. Overrated.

don't go full pauk on us. I can sense the anger and frustration already.