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    Default Re: Just remember when comparing Lebron to Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by NBAGOAT
    I think part of the reason for 62 wins is the league and East was weaker(ik i shouldn't talk with the way the East has looked so far). No offense to Pacers who were great as a team but their talent on paper really isn't really that impressive and they were the best challengers to the Bulls.
    26-12 without Pippen...

    36-8 with Pippen.

    Pippen a true winner.

    Much like Horace Grant, who DRAMATICALLY ELEVATED EVERY TEAM he joined.

    Grant >>>>>>>> POS Bosh.

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    Default Re: Just remember when comparing Lebron to Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    26-12 without Pippen...

    36-8 with Pippen.

    Pippen a true winner.

    Much like Horace Grant, who DRAMATICALLY ELEVATED EVERY TEAM he joined.

    Grant >>>>>>>> POS Bosh.
    thanks Laz for at least not mentioning Wilt. Still going overboard with the Pippen love however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBAGOAT
    thanks Laz for at least not mentioning Wilt. Still going overboard with the Pippen love however.
    Not at all...

    Pippen and Grant missed a combined 22 games in their '94 season, and still went an overall 55-27. Had they been reasonably healthy, and that Bulls team would easily have won 60+ games...which would have been HUGE, since it would have given them HCA thru the entire playoffs (they went 5-0 at home in that post-season BTW.) The next year, the Bulls not only didn't have MJ (until the last 17 games of the year), but they lost Grant to the Magic, as well. Pippen carried what was left to a 34-31 record...and even that was deceptive, because in the ten games before Jordan rejoined the team, they went 8-2.

    In any case, Pippen and Grant are among the two greatest winners in NBA history. I won't bother looking up Grant's W-L records at every stop now, but they increased DRAMATICALLY over the previous year. Hell, he had a year in Orlando, in which Shaq missed 20 games, and they still went 15-5 without him. And that team had a far greater record in the games in which Grant played, than in the games in which Shaq played.

    You simply cannot minimize the IMPACT that Pippen and Grant had on the Bulls teams in the decade of the 90's.

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    Default Re: Just remember when comparing Lebron to Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    26-12 without Pippen...

    36-8 with Pippen.

    Pippen a true winner.

    Much like Horace Grant, who DRAMATICALLY ELEVATED EVERY TEAM he joined.

    Grant >>>>>>>> POS Bosh.
    26-12 without Pippen
    36-8 with both MJ (MVP) and Pippen

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    Default Re: Just remember when comparing Lebron to Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    In any case, Pippen and Grant are among the two greatest winners in NBA history. I won't bother looking up Grant's W-L records at every stop now, but they increased DRAMATICALLY over the previous year. Hell, he had a year in Orlando, in which Shaq missed 20 games, and they still went 15-5 without him. And that team had a far greater record in the games in which Grant played, than in the games in which Shaq played.

    You simply cannot minimize the IMPACT that Pippen and Grant had on the Bulls teams in the decade of the 90's.
    Yet, during the 30 for 30 documentary, the players and coach gave credit to PENNY for stepping up in Shaq's absence and leading the way. In fact, he did so well he stole the hearts of his teammates and the fans which caused friction with Shaq when he returned.

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    Default Re: Just remember when comparing Lebron to Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    26-12 without Pippen...

    36-8 with Pippen.

    Pippen a true winner.

    Much like Horace Grant, who DRAMATICALLY ELEVATED EVERY TEAM he joined.

    Grant >>>>>>>> POS Bosh.

    Wilt and bran care more about stats than rings so they prefer to be the system than being part of it. Of course, their teams would suck without them coz it takes time to adjust to a new system. But in the end, only rings matter. You can have your stats but wilt and bran are still disrespected just like their stans being the whipping boys of ish

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    Default Re: Just remember when comparing Lebron to Jordan

    Quote Originally Posted by knicksman
    Wilt and bran care more about stats than rings so they prefer to be the system than being part of it. Of course, their teams would suck without them coz it takes time to adjust to a new system. But in the end, only rings matter. You can have your stats but wilt and bran are still disrespected just like their stans being the whipping boys of ish

    When you are great in most everything that makes a basketball game successful it's hard to not be the system. I'd say until recently lebron didn't have a system because he masks your team deficiencies.

    Yea he's a bad shooter but he's great in everything else.

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