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Old 03-11-2009, 08:16 PM   #31
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Default Re: Should we re-sign Joey Graham?

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Let's not waste our money on Joey Graham rather we should spend it all on 1 big time free agent guard, that is why we traded O'Neil away for a rental player in Marion for 1 year ...... not to mention we throw in Moon for Free just like we gave Rasho and Hibert away for free

Spend all of our money on one player, and sacrifice any semblance of depth...

Isn't that what happened with JO this year? How'd that turn out?

Joey deserves aanother contract, and $3-$3.5 is a fine number for a guy who can be a role player/spot starter IMO.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:27 PM   #32
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Spend all of our money on one player, and sacrifice any semblance of depth...

Isn't that what happened with JO this year? How'd that turn out?

Joey deserves aanother contract, and $3-$3.5 is a fine number for a guy who can be a role player/spot starter IMO.

There are tons of better Role players at joeys position .... let's focus on something rather than Joey how about a defensive center to go and play beside Bosh?

All have to understand when we ISO bosh and he takes those jumps shots Bargnani is posted up on the 3 point line leaving NO ONE EVER under the basket for rebounds or tip outs!

We were better with Bosh at the 4 and a defensive minded center at the 5 ....... Joey is Joey we already know what were going to get!
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:37 PM   #33
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There are tons of better Role players at joeys position .... let's focus on something rather than Joey how about a defensive center to go and play beside Bosh?

All have to understand when we ISO bosh and he takes those jumps shots Bargnani is posted up on the 3 point line leaving NO ONE EVER under the basket for rebounds or tip outs!

We were better with Bosh at the 4 and a defensive minded center at the 5 ....... Joey is Joey we already know what were going to get!

Then maybe start a new thread? Of course we're going to talk about Joey in the Joey thread.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:50 PM   #34
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Default Re: Should we re-sign Joey Graham?

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Spend all of our money on one player, and sacrifice any semblance of depth...

Isn't that what happened with JO this year? How'd that turn out?

Joey deserves aanother contract, and $3-$3.5 is a fine number for a guy who can be a role player/spot starter IMO.

Yeah no ****. This team is hurting for depth. Bringing back Joey for 3 mill won't hurt this team, if anything it will improve our crippling lack of any bench whatsoever. He's the only guy who comes into the game and does ANYTHING. But of course now we have Pops .
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:34 PM   #35
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Then maybe start a new thread? Of course we're going to talk about Joey in the Joey thread.

Ya straight up. He talks about the same thing (Bosh vs. Bargnani) in every single thread, regardless of what its about.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:43 PM   #36
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Decent players like Barnes take small contracts to play on good teams. BC would have to pull off some magic to get good vets to come with a paycut.

Some alternative FA's I would like to pursue would be: James Singleton, Dahntay Jones, Von Wafer, Keith Bogans, Barnes, Ime Udoka, and Morris Almond. This is of course assuming Marion is resigned and MLE is only available.

Barnes is on a small contract because no team wanted to pay a third-tier talent the kind of money he wanted, and rightly so. Him and every other player on that list are essentially garbage - a guy like Barnes or Von Wafer is the definition of a one-year wonder taking advantage of having the greenlight to chuck shots up on a team that's thin at his position.
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Barnes is on a small contract because no team wanted to pay a third-tier talent the kind of money he wanted, and rightly so. Him and every other player on that list are essentially garbage - a guy like Barnes or Von Wafer is the definition of a one-year wonder taking advantage of having the greenlight to chuck shots up on a team that's thin at his position.

hmm sounds familiar.. Jason Kapono anyone?
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Yeah no ****. This team is hurting for depth. Bringing back Joey for 3 mill won't hurt this team, if anything it will improve our crippling lack of any bench whatsoever. He's the only guy who comes into the game and does ANYTHING. But of course now we have Pops .

I still think he can get re-signed for about 4-6 million over 3 years. No one in the NBA is going to throw money at him. Although I don't agree with you about how much money he warrants, it is irrelevant because the Raptors should taken advantage of the situation, and pay him around what I stated above.
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Barnes is on a small contract because no team wanted to pay a third-tier talent the kind of money he wanted, and rightly so. Him and every other player on that list are essentially garbage - a guy like Barnes or Von Wafer is the definition of a one-year wonder taking advantage of having the greenlight to chuck shots up on a team that's thin at his position.


That is true, but that still makes Graham and 4th or 5th tier talent then. I'd rather have guys like you mentioned for cheap then Joey Graham on a $3mill per type deal.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:43 AM   #40
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Default Re: Should we re-sign Joey Graham?

No more than $3 million per (probably significantly less), no more than 3 years. The team is bad and needs to be restructured if they plan to keep Jay Triano as head coach for another year. Triano needs to know what kind of system he wants to implement in order to win, and what players he wants in it. If he doesn't know that, there is no reason to keep him on as head coach, and Colangelo should identify the coach he wants to hire long term.

Actually, I think Colangelo's worst mistake as GM, other than signing Krapono, was re-signing Sam Mitchell when he didn't really want him as the long term coach. I don't care if he won Coach of the Year, that was because he got a good team put around him, if you don't want him let him go use that prestige to find another job.

And that good team we had two years ago was clearly just a paper tiger, a fragile collection of Euroleague veterans and young talent that has gradually disintegrated due to not improving it in the appropriate ways (see trading away of first rounders, signing of JK, unfortunate recent draft history, BC only being responsible for Bargs over Roy). We no longer have any semblance of the depth and chemistry we had then because BC assumed the team could only go up, when really it got way ahead of itself winning the Atlantic in a very weak year for the East.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:55 AM   #41
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No more than $3 million per (probably significantly less), no more than 3 years. The team is bad and needs to be restructured if they plan to keep Jay Triano as head coach for another year. Triano needs to know what kind of system he wants to implement in order to win, and what players he wants in it. If he doesn't know that, there is no reason to keep him on as head coach, and Colangelo should identify the coach he wants to hire long term.

Actually, I think Colangelo's worst mistake as GM, other than signing Krapono, was re-signing Sam Mitchell when he didn't really want him as the long term coach. I don't care if he won Coach of the Year, that was because he got a good team put around him, if you don't want him let him go use that prestige to find another job.

And that good team we had two years ago was clearly just a paper tiger, a fragile collection of Euroleague veterans and young talent that has gradually disintegrated due to not improving it in the appropriate ways (see trading away of first rounders, signing of JK, unfortunate recent draft history, BC only being responsible for Bargs over Roy). We no longer have any semblance of the depth and chemistry we had then because BC assumed the team could only go up, when really it got way ahead of itself winning the Atlantic in a very weak year for the East.

I think that's the heart of all our problems right there. Hindsight is of course 20/20, but I'm convinced that the 06 team despite undeniably being better than the current roster would finish maybe 7th or 8th in the East this year since our division got SIGNIFICANTLY better in the past couple years. It was an ok team in possibly the worst division in the history of the NBA.
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I think that's the heart of all our problems right there. Hindsight is of course 20/20, but I'm convinced that the 06 team despite undeniably being better than the current roster would finish maybe 7th or 8th in the East this year since our division got SIGNIFICANTLY better in the past couple years. It was an ok team in possibly the worst division in the history of the NBA.

Even last season was an example of this. The Raptors scored more points per game and allowed less points per game and still only ended up with a 41-41 record. Of course injuries were a factor but he competition also improved drastically as you said.

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Barnes is on a small contract because no team wanted to pay a third-tier talent the kind of money he wanted, and rightly so. Him and every other player on that list are essentially garbage - a guy like Barnes or Von Wafer is the definition of a one-year wonder taking advantage of having the greenlight to chuck shots up on a team that's thin at his position.

If their increased production is a product of more shots, than why have both players' efficiency numbers stayed the same? Also, most of the players on the list have/are good roleplayers on good teams (exception of Almond). With only the MLE to plug a multitude of holes (backup centre included), beggars can't be choosers.
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