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Old 07-10-2019, 11:00 AM   #16
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I'm open to other ideas that still have Americans working a minimum of 40 hours a week for many years to come without having to sacrifice salary, position, and the ability to grow and expand.

It doesnít matter what youíre open to, AI and automation is coming at us fast. Technology doesnít have time to stop and ask Patrick Chewing if his antiquated emotions are doing ok.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:04 AM   #17
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LOL AI only goes as far as we want it to go. I'll vote for whoever wants to regulate it and tax those companies higher who use it.

You guys sound like the sky is falling.


We are the RESISTANCE.


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Old 07-10-2019, 11:05 AM   #18
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Yeah he's been campaigning on that since he announced he was running, but that idea is not to combat AI, that idea is just to stimulate the economy and give folks a little extra money.

The idea is to regulate AI so that more jobs aren't lost. No one is going to survive on 12 thousand a year. That's just a stimulus package. A band-aid. The talk should be of regulation and of bringing more jobs back to America. At some point, manufacturing has to make a comeback here in the United States. As our population continues to explode with immigration the way it is, we are going to have to do something drastic and alarming to be able to survive.


Immigration has to be totally curtailed.

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Old 07-10-2019, 11:09 AM   #19
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When the great depression happened in the wake of a huge industrial revolution, and concentration of wealth at the top, do you know how USA solved it?

Socialism. New deal. They gave people jobs that added nothing, like digging holes and filling them basically, just to have people back at work and earning a living. Huge taxes on the rich and redistrilbution through job programs.

That's the only way to fix it.

You let the capitalists continue to run free, the next huge collapse is coming from their wealth hoarding, and cheating the system.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:45 AM   #20
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LOL AI only goes as far as we want it to go. I'll vote for whoever wants to regulate it and tax those companies higher who use it.

Dumb. Tax companies that are more productive so that they are incentivized not to be as productive and keep inefficient workers? Why not just reap the extra productivity, tax that and give it to people who can use the down time to find something more useful to do.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:46 AM   #21
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Here's the deal with Yang... he would be a terrible president for multiple reasons.

And his current primary reason for running isn't an over the top dramatic issue... yet.

But it will be... and sooner than most people think. So for that reason, I hope he goes as far as he can in the debates.

Unfortunately, nobody has proposed a better solution than UBI to the automation problem.


One of two things will have to happen in the future... we will either need some form of UBI so people can live, or... there will need to be a drastic population reduction.

I do not for one second buy into the idea that as the robots replace more and more of our jobs, new jobs will pop up in their place. No, those jobs won't be replaced by new things... not at the same rate or quantity. This is fantasy land. Most of you severely underestimate the amount of jobs that are going to evaporate from the market because of robots and AI.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:50 AM   #22
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One thing is for sure... if you never want to be replaced by a robot, go be a police officer in a black area. Robots would be called racist and immediately decommissioned.

Real life flesh and blood is extremely far away from being removed for policing poor blacks.

And if you drive for a living... now would be the time to start prepping for an exit from that field.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:54 AM   #23
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Dumb. Tax companies that are more productive so that they are incentivized not to be as productive and keep inefficient workers? Why not just reap the extra productivity, tax that and give it to people who can use the down time to find something more useful to do.


How does that work? Just give people money for doing nothing??


Americans truly are lazy. No work ethic whatsoever.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:57 AM   #24
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I'm open to other ideas that still have Americans working a minimum of 40 hours a week for many years to come without having to sacrifice salary, position, and the ability to grow and expand.
your trump will slash taxes to these corporations using AI to cut labor. i donít think thatís an ideal course for the greater american workforce .
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:11 PM   #25
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How does that work? Just give people money for doing nothing??


Americans truly are lazy. No work ethic whatsoever.

lets establish that money isn't being given for free. work is still being done to account for that money, and that work comes from the robots. Giving people a fixed income wont make them automatically lazy, especially if were only talking about 12k a year. People will still work, a lot of people will go into micro business sectors that weren't available before. That's because before UBI, any person operating a business would have to meet a certain income in order to live in society, but since UBI supplements that, the threshold for survivable income from a business becomes significantly lower allowing more people to be self employed doing things that wernt survivable before.

Look, there will always be lazy people that want to be taken care of. These people we do know exist before UBI and will exists after. We also know that theres people that value success, accomplishment and their lifes work more than money, and those people wont be deterred because of 12k a year either.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:29 PM   #26
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I'd vote for him or Trump.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:03 PM   #27
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How does that work? Just give people money for doing nothing??


Americans truly are lazy. No work ethic whatsoever.

I dont think you get it. It's not about being lazy or not. It's about automation that is coming. Unemployment is going to be huge. Yang sees this and is trying to tackle the issue before it becomes a huge issue. I dont think you realize just how many jobs are going to be lost in the next decade.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:19 PM   #28
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I dont think you get it. It's not about being lazy or not. It's about automation that is coming. Unemployment is going to be huge. Yang sees this and is trying to tackle the issue before it becomes a huge issue. I dont think you realize just how many jobs are going to be lost in the next decade.

Automation is here already in some industries. Just look at Amazon. To allow automation to get to the point where millions upon millions get put out of work should never be allowed to happen.

Yang isn't the only one that sees this, but I don't see how giving people $1000 a month alleviates any type of job loss you may suffer as a result. No one can survive on $12,000 a year, unless the cost of goods and living goes down by 75% at least.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:33 PM   #29
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Automation is here already in some industries. Just look at Amazon. To allow automation to get to the point where millions upon millions get put out of work should never be allowed to happen.

Yang isn't the only one that sees this, but I don't see how giving people $1000 a month alleviates any type of job loss you may suffer as a result. No one can survive on $12,000 a year, unless the cost of goods and living goes down by 75% at least.

It's here for Amazon.. but not at full capacity. They didn't fully utilize drone technology, or self driving cars yet. And this is just ONE company. Automation is nowhere close to being "here already". Give it 10 years and you'll see what automation really is.

$1,000 isn't going to let people survive but will it help? Hell yeah. If you can't find a full time job so you work part-time at minimum wage & make an extra 1k, maybe that will help. I think the 1K is just the start. if that ever gets implemented, the 1K a month will definitely be more as jobs become harder to find.

This isn't just for manual labour / warhouse jobs. We're also talking about Truck Drivers, Taxi Drivers, Cashiers, Customer Service / Call Centers, Administrators, Receptionists, Middle / Senior Management. Down the road, people even professional jobs like Accountants & Lawyers won't be needed. We already have sophisticated software that can easily help us do our taxes. Lawyers can easily be replaced by software as well. (There's exemptions of course)

I mean.. the list goes on & on. How do you recommend we tackle this without UBI? Population control?

"Yang isn't the only one that sees this" yet he's the only politician that has addressed this issue.
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Old 07-10-2019, 04:05 PM   #30
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Automation is here already in some industries. Just look at Amazon. To allow automation to get to the point where millions upon millions get put out of work should never be allowed to happen.

Yang isn't the only one that sees this, but I don't see how giving people $1000 a month alleviates any type of job loss you may suffer as a result. No one can survive on $12,000 a year, unless the cost of goods and living goes down by 75% at least.
They literally told you that earlier in the thread, are you even reading? Yang has repeatedly said it's not meant to replace a livable wage ffs. In regards to automation, it's happening because businesses are becoming more efficient at bringing in revenue. So which is it, punish the business for being successful or let automation replace jobs that won't be necessary in the next couple of decades?
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