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Old 07-09-2018, 06:25 PM   #511
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https://www.slcdunk.com/2018/7/9/175...novan-mitchell

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The more I learn about these contracts, the more I like them. Dante could certainly be worth $11mil this year, but if he isn’t we might only be paying him around $9.6mil which is probably the price point many of us expected in the first place. Derrick deserves to be overpaid after taking so many pay cuts and changing his game to sacrifice stats in favor of doing the little things that usually don’t show up on the stat sheet. These contracts are great for both sides, and I’m excited to see what these guys can do as they return to Utah this next season.

Dante has yet to show he is worth close to 9 million a year. What pay cut did Favors take? He signed his last deal for less than he might have got a year later if he had stayed healthy(which he didn't) and wasn't worth that much at the time anyway. Now he deserves to be overpaid?
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:29 PM   #512
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Favors averaged 9 pts 7 boards in 23 minutes a game when he got his last deal and got 4 years for around 50 million dollars. Where was the pay cut? Like Exum he was payed on potential.
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Exum’s base salary is $27.3 million, which is right in the range most people foresaw and basically equates to an Mid-Level deal. (An MLE contract from another team would have come to $27.1M.) Utah basically gets him on a deal as though they’d matched an offer sheet starting at the MLE, as far as his base. And if he makes the extra $1.9M per season, it’s because he is performing at a level where you don’t mind paying him up to $11M per season. My educated guess: the half million of likely incentives for Exum are probably based on him participating in some form of development program. That means the other $1.4M would be contingent upon some sort of performance threshold. We don’t know the details yet, but it’s safe to assume that if Exum is earning that extra $1.4M check, it’s good news for Utah, basketball-wise.

Of he doesn't get the incentives than he is probably highly overpayed

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And I understand both of your trepidation — after all, it’s more exciting and comforting when a team makes moves. But the Jazz decision-makers think they can be significantly better than last year without a major roster overhaul, and they might be right. That doesn’t mean they’re simply betting on internal improvement, either. What they’re really betting on is that the baseline of this team is better than their final 48-34 record. Their approach this offseason shows that they believe their point of departure is much closer to the 29-6 finish than to the season overall. Rudy Gobert missed a third of the season, Thabo Sefolosha missed half and Dante Exum missed all but 14 games. Their best offensive player was still learning up from down, even while averaging more than 20 a game, and Jae Crowder joined the team with two months left.


Thabo was platooning and Exum is an offensive liablility.

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Wayne Ellington is a really good shooter, but Utah already has like seven guards.

And how many of them can shoot?

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There’s also something to be said for flexibility. Keeping the MLE on the shelf keeps salary off of the 2019 books, and it also keeps options open to swing an uneven trade without crossing over into the tax. But mostly, I think it just comes down to the fact that the Jazz like their depth across all positions, and they’d prefer not to pay $8.6M to someone who doesn’t really represent an upgrade.

No there were no upgrades available over a bad fitting big, an awful offensive player or a guy the coach doesn't even like

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It’s possible, but I think the Jazz would prefer to go into next summer with options. If they extend Rubio at that amount, it would be hard to hit the summer with a max slot available in case the right free agent says yes. Don’t get me wrong, retaining Rubio might wind up being the right call, but I think the Jazz would like the opportunity to at least check in on some free agents before making that determination.


They are hoping Exum finally doesn't suck and Allen can step in. Bye bye Ricky!!!!!!!!!!!

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It’s obviously bothered Hayward — likely the object of your “ahem” — when the Jazz sent him to find a max contract elsewhere instead of just ponying up. By contrast, this year they have a very happy Exum telling the media that he feels “taken care of as a person.” Could they have saved a few bucks by waiting for Exum to bring them an offer sheet? Maybe2. But giving a player in Exum’s situation a sense of security and backing has got to be worth some dollar amount.

Exum should feel lucky anybody wants to give him anything really
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Old 07-10-2018, 01:16 PM   #514
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The Jazz got into trouble this past season because of their slow start that for a while almost made it appear that they wouldn’t even qualify for the playoffs. Had they commenced the season stronger, they undoubtedly would have finished with a higher seed. As the West only continues to get tougher, it will be imperative that the Jazz start out strong out of the gates.

They need to start strong because Lindsey has told us this roster is one of the best in the league. Him and Snyder should be fired if they suck at any point. That's how things work elsewhere.

What Rudy needs to do is get more confident with his mid range and hook and especially the pick and roll with Mitchell. Without shooters it all becomes more difficult though

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I know that I just got done talking about how Gobert’s goal shouldn’t be placed in the hands of voters, but I’m changing my tune in the case of Dante Exum. Because of the struggles Dante has faced in his career injury-wise, he hasn’t been able to show just what he’s made of. However, assuming he can stay healthy this upcoming year, he has a chance to truly be something special.

It's not all injuries. Stop with the excuses. He just got 3 more years of free money. Time to show up and hit some shots

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If he can finally live up to the hype while improving his confidence on offense by adding a reliable shot and finishing ability, he could be a prime candidate for the Most Improved Player Award. This award is typically given to someone who has under-performed in their career then comes out of nowhere to become a serviceable player or star, taking the NBA world by storm.

Huge ifs for someone that has never shown any of that though.

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This may seem like a hard goal to obtain, but if Exum simply stays healthy, gets the minutes he deserves and likely would have had last year, then thrives in them, it will absolutely be a realistic and attainable objective for him.

He doesn't deserve minutes other than as a defensive specialist. Never has deserved them but he's gotten them over better players(and now will more than ever). It's time to show you can actually play NBA basketball. Been waiting 4 years

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The only problem – while O’Neale was an extraordinary defender, he didn’t exactly get the “3” part down as he shot just 35.6 percent from deep. That’s not a horrible mark by any means, but there’s certainly room for improvement. O’Neale did get hot at times and this mark was hurt by a slump he went through all during the month of March, but to say he’s a sharpshooter is still inaccurate.

I see him improving. His shot looks good unlike Rubio and Exum. Also he can finish unlike those two

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Jae has a lot of important skills that he brings to the table, but hoisting shot after shot shouldn’t exactly be his game. As he gets wiser about when to pull the trigger and when to look for a better opportunity, his efficiency is going to rise significantly. And when it does, he’ll significantly lift this Jazz team to greater heights.

He's shot well in the past so I'm not worried about him. Rubio, Exum and Favors are the ones to worry about

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Thabo Sefolosha – Get back to where he was pre-injury

Platooning? Jae platooning too?

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There’s no debating that Ekpe Udoh is an NBA-caliber defender. The self-proclaimed “best defender in the world” provides Utah with yet another daunting big to protect the rim in the absence of both Gobert and Favors. However, whenever he hits the court, the offense seemingly takes a hit.

He said one of the best and he probably is. The offense takes a hit because he is always open so he gets the ball!

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Udoh doesn’t figure to be a key component of Utah’s rotation. But in the event that Favors or Gobert gets hurt, something which unfortunately is a real possibility based on years past, the Jazz will need Udoh to be prepared if his number is called. If and when that happens, having more to hang his hat on offensively would be extremely helpful in order for the Jazz to weather whatever injury storms may come their way.

Or even better they could play their best shooting big man Bradley

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Are you serious? The guy can play. There's never been any question about that.

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The guy doesn't appear to even be in the rotation to start the season and Lindsey has actually pretty much said as much. All G-League maybe with Bradley.
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Ricky Rubio – Pick up where he left off

He left off shooting 36% and 32% from 3. Hopefully he's gone within a year

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That solid finish was enough to give him career numbers in several categories despite the forgettable start. Rubio obviously had a tough time adjusting to new teammates and a new system, but that won’t be an issue next year. With that being the case, his goal should simply be to pick up where he left off and to continue to make the kind of impact he did to close out last season.

What he has trouble with is shooting, defending and taking care of the ball.

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46.2 percent from the field and 43.8 percent from deep might be hard to sustain over 82 games. But if he’s even in that range, it will make for an absolute career season that could very well elevate the Jazz to a new echelon in the Western Conference.

Have you ever watched the guy shoot? He will always be streaky at best. That's not even getting into the obvious mental issues he has playing basketball

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As I mentioned, it’s hard to knock Mitchell when he did so very much for the Jazz last season. But in order for him to take yet another leap, one of his principal goals has to be to raise his efficiency.

Going to be hard to do with the same team around him. Him and Gobert both improve greatly if you put shooters around them. Favors, Exum and Rubio aren't them!

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One of Ingles’ weaknesses from this past season was both a blessing and a curse. At times, he would become too unselfish and pass up good looks in order to get his teammates involved. In most circumstances, this is a great trait and is undoubtedly one of many reasons why Ingles is so beloved by his teammates. However, considering that he’s one of the most deadly sharpshooters in the league, he needs to be unafraid to pull the trigger.

The biggest problem with passing to the most open guy is that Rubio, Exum or Favors will end up with the shot. Those are good shots to Bolerjack. Not to me.

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Derrick Favors is the ultimate teammate. He hasn’t been shy about sacrificing minutes or opportunities for the betterment of the team. He’s also been more than willing to diversify his style of play in order to provide himself with further chances to shine. One such way he’s done just that is by adding a 3-point shot to his game.

Sorry but 20% isn't adding a 3 to your game. It's absolutely pathetic! 18 mill!

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Favors was far from a sharpshooter from behind the arc, converting on just 22.2 percent of his 0.8 attempts per game. However, the effort was admirable and he showed that the potential to be a corner-three threat was certainly there. For him to further increase his worth as a stretch option and fit alongside Rudy Gobert, he’ll need to continue to see improvements from that area.

Potential? The guy has never been consistent from the mid range and now he's going to be a corner 3 specialist?

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Now I’m not saying Favors needs to have his sights set on transforming into a 40 percent shooter from deep (but that would be nice, now wouldn’t it?), but a leap into the 30s is certainly reasonable and should almost be expected. There are plenty of examples of bigs who have adapted to today’s game and significantly increased their 3-point shooting from one season to the next, so I see no reason why Favors couldn’t do the same.

Tell me one that wasn't already a good shooter though? Gasols and Lopez come to mind but Favors isn't the shooter that they always have been. I see plenty of reason why he needs to be diving to the hoop(for someone else) and not spotting up from 3.

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Derrick Favors is such an incredible player to me because he quite frankly has the potential to be a 20-10 guy. As the starting center on most teams, he’d likely be able to do just that. However, because of Rudy Gobert, he’s forced to take on a different role with this Jazz team, but he did so marvelously last year and should continue to do so, especially if he gets more effective from deep, even if it’s only slightly so.

Could he average 20-10 in the perfect scenario(there aren't many places he really fits today)? Likely no. He's a decent rebounder not a great one. He can score some points but 20 is a lot and he's limited. Take the dive away and he has to hit shots. Not something he's great at.

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Despite adding a 3-point shot to his repertoire, Favors still shot a career-high 56.3 percent from the field last season. If he’s able to continue that trend by knocking down his shots from mid-range as well as in the key while also improving from deep, just imagine the kind of force that he’ll transform into.

Knocking down his shots from mid range would be a start

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The Jazz need Rudy Gobert to start off the season as well as he’s finished the last two. In each of the past two seasons, Gobert has gotten off to slow starts before turning things around and closing out strong. Of course, in 2017-18, that was largely due to the injuries he dealt with during the first part of the year. But even before he got hurt, Gobert didn’t exactly come out of the gates roaring.

Was mostly because of Rubio and the team around him.

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The same could be said about his 2016-17 performance. There’s a reason why Gobert wasn’t named an All-Star, but would ultimately earn All-NBA honors at the conclusion of the season. When the All-Star votes were collected, he was playing well, but not amazing. But by the conclusion of the season, there was no denying his prowess.

He was great all year. Should have been an all-star before Hayward. The end of the year was better because they put 4 shooters around him. Amazing how that all works in a team game isn't it?
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Old 07-10-2018, 01:32 PM   #516
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Eric Woodyard: Tony Bradley (left wrist contusion) is out for today’s Jazz game. – via Twitter E_Woodyard
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When Gordon Hayward was in a Jazz uniform, the team relied on internal development of a young unit to become a playoff team. The Jazz chose to rely on the development of Favors and Enes Kanter over spending money chasing bigger-named free agents.


Let their best player go so Favors and Kanter could play!

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In a league where momentum and health are so often intertwined, and are unavoidable risks, the Jazz willingness to gamble on their existing roster without adding external talent may not be a surefire bet.

Is stupid!
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:14 AM   #518
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For all these reasons, I would implore the Jazz to give him a better bite at the apple. As a rookie, Bradley appeared in just nine games for the Jazz, spending the brunt of his year in the G-League. In year two, that needs to change. Even as the team keeps quality veteran players ahead of him.

How do you expect it to happen with Favors and Udoh back?

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And the team should give it to him. Great things happen in the G-League, but Bradley is looking like he’s outgrown it.

Not sure about that. Start him there. If he dominates look to move Favors and maybe Udoh too
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Allen fits the mold of a Jazzman. He’s tough, gritty, hard-working and ultra-competitive. I honestly think this may be the only roster addition that the Jazz truly needed this summer. He’s a combo guard that will provide depth off the bench for Mitchell and Rubio. He also brings great 3-point shooting ability to the team as he shot 38 percent from downtown throughout his college career.


I thought the 33 million dollar man brought the depth to the guardline?
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Emiliano Carchia: Stanton Kidd is expected to sign a contract with the Utah Jazz, according to sources – via Twitter Sportando

2 way I'd assume? Maybe let the other spot be fought out in camp?
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Grayson Allen is already looking like the next steal for the Utah Jazz. His game has been translating well in NBA summer league and it looks like he should be a legitimate contributor to the team very soon.

He's 23 and a first round pick. This should be expected. Steal?

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And there’s no reason to believe Allen won’t be doing the same things this season.

Every reason to believe until he actually does it. Summer League is a long ways from fall camp and fall camp is a long ways from and NBA game and a regular season game is a long way from the playoffs and OKC is a long ways from GS.

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If Grayson’s stats go down 30% from summer league he’ll average around 11.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 2.8 assists. That could be some incredible production for his rookie season, especially if he can shoot it efficiently from three.

Who is playing ahead? The new 11 million dollar man? Royce? Thabo(maybe!). If everyone is healthy I'd think he'd start with the Stars and Lindsey has said as much which is a big change in the Jazz philosophy

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The Jazz scouting and development team is really flourishing as the Jazz will continue to be one of the deepest teams in the league.

Continue? Give me shooting and than let's talk!
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The Utah Jazz have had a pretty conservative offseason thus far, but that is by no means a bad thing considering how successful the team was last year.

They got smoked by Houston. It's a joke to come back with the same team!

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That may be a disappointment to some who enjoy the theatrics and drama of offseason shuffling. But for those who enjoyed what the Jazz accomplished in the latter half of the season last year, it should be an exciting fact. A Jazz team that appeared to be one of the most daunting in the league to close out last season has received the chance to run it back and give it another shot in 2018-19.

It's disappointing to those that want to see the Jazz go all in for the first time ever instead of treading water. You don't win titles with a team that's not better than others(usually)

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The draft is such a crap-shoot, particularly in the late first round, so time will tell whether or not he was the right selection for the Jazz. On paper, though, he makes a lot of sense. So while his attitude concerns affect the grade slightly, his overall skills and stamp of approval from Utah’s leading guys allows this decision to still pass with relatively high marks.

His age should affect the grade as well

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Grade – A

The guy was platooning! Why not get another player that Syder might actually like?

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One of the more difficult and controversial decisions (according to fans anyway) facing the Utah Jazz this summer was whether or not to retain Derrick Favors. The longest tenured Jazzman had surely proven his worth, but there were questions about whether or not he was their best option at the four-spot moving forward if the Jazz were to truly be able to overcome the likes of the Golden State Warriors or Houston Rockets.

Should have been the easiest decision of all. No brainer. And yet he's back!

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If Favors continues to be the fitting piece, he can be retained moving forward. If by that point the Jazz like some power forward or wing options on the free agency market more, they’ll easily be able to create room. That’s a big win in my book.

Throwing away a year is a loss anyway you look at it

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After all, Favors has filled his role with the Jazz perfectly in recent seasons, stepping up when needed but taking a secondary role when required as well. As Lindsey stated in a recent press conference, without Derrick Favors, there’s no second round of the playoffs the past two years.

He shot 20% in his role and didn't play against Houston in his role. 18 million!

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Factor into that the fact that this is such a well-built deal where the Jazz threw extra money at him this summer (when they had no realistic or encouraging options to spend it elsewhere) while preserving their flexibility for next year, and this is simply an absolute win. Call me overly optimistic, but I’m giving the retention of Favors the highest of marks.

No realistic options?

Grade F. Nothing to like about this. Typical Jazz move that has kept them as an after thought throughout their history

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This isn’t a sexy signing (other than the fact that many might opine that Neto himself very much is), but it is a steady one on yet another crafty ‘Lindsey special’ type of deal. As such, there’s little reason to bring the grade down on this decision.

Why not get someone the coach likes?

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The other tough decision facing the Utah Jazz this offseason was what to do with restricted free agent Dante Exum. Exum’s career unfortunately hasn’t been that remarkable to date, largely because of the plague of injuries he’s faced as a member of the Jazz. Still, Jazz brass has been openly bullish about his future and he’s clearly shown flashes of turning into a special player.

Because he has sucked. He has not shown flashes of being special. He's mostly been awful on the offensive side of the ball

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And the nice thing about Exum’s contract is that, while his is fully guaranteed, it’s also incentive-based much like Favors. If Dante lives up to the expectations the Jazz have placed on him, he’ll be well worth the full salary amount. However, as Eric Pincus reported in the tweet below, Exum’s cap hit is $9.6 million, which helps to alleviate some of the risk if things don’t pan out for him yet again in the coming years.

Still 9.6 more than he has earned

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However, he did at times struggle defensively and was never able to be a consistent part of the Jazz rotation. While he seemed to fit in the locker room and with Utah’s culture, on the court he was never quite the most seamless addition.

Could say that about all the other guys mentioned already though. You loved those moves!

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Keeping him wasn’t a flashy move by any means, but considering the lack of promising centers on the free agent market and the fact that with Rudy Gobert and Derrick Favors in the frontcourt, it’s one of the strongest positions on the Jazz roster, keeping Udoh in his role was about the best decision Utah could have made in that regard.

Blocking Bradley is a good move?
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The Warriors, the reigning two-time NBA champions, theoretically got even better this week by signing center DeMarcus Cousins, an All-Star the last four consecutive seasons. Cousins joins a dominant team that already features perennially All-Stars Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green.

I can see them getting worse with Cousins. They were able to risk it because even if they cut him they are the team to beat especially with Houston seemingly taking a step back and the Jazz not upgrading

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The prohibitive favorite even before signing Cousins, the Warriors now are practically guaranteed to win a third consecutive title. Pretty much the only mystery is which day to hold the parade.

There's no guarantee. What if Curry had been hurt a couple weeks later this year? Houston had them beat before Paul went down. Lots can happen. You have to put your team in the best position no matter the odds. I thought the Jazz matched up better with GS than they did Houston and Cousins will leave the court distraught against Gobert as he always does. Too bad they don't have any shooting to keep up at the other end

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Teams like the Utah Jazz, who are trying to build a championship mostly through the traditional route of drafting and then developing talent, do not have a realistic chance of advancing all the way through the playoffs. The fact is, the ceiling for nearly all teams in the league is second place.

They aren't trying to win a title. You don't bring back a team you know can't win if you are.

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“I’d rather have no rings than join a super team,” former NBA star Charles Barkley said on the Unnecessary Roughness podcast.

Easy to say now though you did join two time champ Houston.

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The formation of super teams certainly won’t doom the NBA, but it would be nice if the opportunity to acquire talent had a more level playing field.

Other teams didn't want Cousins. GS really makes the most sense for him. They don't need him and can bench him or do whatever they want and still win. Lakers needed another headcase? Randle and Mirotic isn't better with AD?
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Kidd, a 26-year-old from Colorado State, is averaging 12.3 points and 3.5 rebounds for the Jazz in summer league. It’s a small sample size, but Kidd is also shooting the ball very well. He’s hitting at a 57 percent clip, including 50 percent from downtown.

At that age you almost got to think it would be for the 15th spot ahead of Niang not the two-way. They signed older guys to 2 ways last year and went younger later which made sense. Maybe they are still looking to deal Burks, Thabo and Udoh? This guy can actually shoot too. What could they possible be thinking? Two shooters?

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He’s also got length that helps him defensively. He’s been solid on both sides of the ball during Summer League thus far.

He might be getting rotation minutes

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Last year, Eric Griffin really impressed in Summer League, and earned a two-way deal with the Jazz. However, that deal wasn’t exactly successful, as Griffin didn’t play a single game with the Jazz, and was waived early in the season.

He should have been on the regular roster. Could have helped them

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What’s impressed me about Kidd is his size and shooting ability. Also, he moves well without the ball and finds a way to get himself open. He’s 6-foot-7, and looks like he can play multiple positions on the floor.

small ball 4 maybe
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https://thejnotes.com/2018/07/11/uta...-team-history/

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Rudy Gobert took home Defensive Player of the Year honors for 2017-18 and the Utah Jazz were second overall in team defense. Could the Jazz defense get even better?

You would hope so since offense is an afterthought

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If you compare the Jazz defensive rating for each of the past 24 seasons, the ’17-18 squad posted the best mark when you compare to the league average. Further below the mean than any other Jazz in the past 24 seasons. Is 24 seasons equivalent to all time? No, of course not, but that was as far as I wanted to go and gave us a really good sample.

You have to at least go back to the Eaton years though

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Defense wins championships.

And bad offense won't give them the chance to compete for one
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