Better Career - Kobe from 05-12 vs. Lebron from 05-12

[Heavincent]

Yeah, that's why I edited my post. Saying it's LeBron by far is dumb in my opinion, too. Not sure who I'd give the edge to but it's definitely debatable.

Surely you will acknowledge that, right?

Sure.

But I think that Kobe's 01 and 02 titles are a lot more valuable than some of the dipshits on ISH would want you to believe, so cutting his career in half like that brings him down a lot.

[Riley Martin]

Better career: Kobe
Better peak level of play: LeBron

[avonbarksdale]

are we really arguing this

kobe won 2 rings as the man in 3 trys

lebron won 1 ring with 2 legitimate superstars after losing one with them and one as the man

was lebron a more dominant and better player? yes, but his career clearly isn't better, more mvps ok but kobe won two championships straight and lebron won one, that is more important than any regular season accolades

[TheeBeast]

Better career: Kobe
Better peak level of play: LeBron

Sounds about right. Lebron obviously had better all around stats but that doesn't take away the fact that Kobe was the best, most explosive scorer leading his team to winning 2/3 finals while Lebron only won 1/3.

[MiamiThrice]

This

If you're going to compare careers compare careers, don't pick and choose certain years that mold to an agenda

It's not molding to an agenda. Its a valid question. Everyone has Kobe higher on the all-time list if you include full careers, this guy wants to see if he's still higher excluding those years.

It's funny how insecure the Kobe fans get about the topic question because deep down they know the answer is LeBron , but they will never admit it.

That's how buddy. Those are things only a retarded Lebron/Heat homer would say. I always see you getting mad at Kobe homers for saying dumb shit. So at least be consistent pal.

Clearly your knowledge of basketball is limited and the only thing you can understand is "big names" like DWYANE WADE, and CHRIS BOSH.

Pau Gasol was much more impressive than either Wade or Bosh in both of LAs championship runs. The Lakers had a tremendous team full of contributing players and an amazing frontcourt. In 2009 and 2010, there was not a single NBA team that had the ability to match up against prime Pau Gasol, prime Lamar Odom,and Andrew Bynum. These guys were all long, and dominant figures which assured LA would win the ever important rebounding battle. The role players on those teams were also great. Trevor Ariza, Shannon Brown, Derek Fisher, Jordan Farmar. These were guys that knew their role and exceled at it. People laugh at those players now, but a few years ago they were valuable commodities.

Miami had probably the worst bigmen of any NBA team in a LONGGGG time. Winning the battle in the paint is the key to winning basketball games. LeBron took this upon himself and played primarily Power Forward in the postseason in which he dominated like never before. Had Miami continue to start the notso physical Chris Bosh and Ronny Turiaf/Joel Anthony they do not win it all.

I'd consider LeBron a bigman before Bosh. Guy plays on the perimeter like no other and shoots jumpers all day.

Now time to post your smiley/meme/one liner. We all know it's the only thing your capable of. You've probably never even played basketball.

[pauk]

LeBron James

It's not even ****ing close either. As much shit as LeBron gets for having "stacked teams" LeBron had to do more in his 2012 playoff run than Kobe did in either 09 or 10. The Heat are great on paper, but when you actually watch them play they are entirely dependant on LeBrons talents both offensively and defensively. This is especially the case when Wade is out/injured as he was for nearly all of the postseason.

Kobe had by far the most stacked teams when he won even without Shaq. In the Kobe era(both Shaq and Gasol) the Lakers have always won because of their dominant frontcourt, not because of Kobe.

Then we compare their actual on court play. Kobe has a more diverse scoring arsenal, but LeBron is just more dominant and efficient which ultimately is what it comes down to. Kobes defensive prime was the Shaq titles, so that's canceled out. LeBron easily wins on defense, rebounding, playmaking, scoring inside the paint.

More MVPs.

I don't even need to keep going. Anyone who truly understands basketball can see this is obvious.

Very well said.

[longtime lurker]

LeBron James
Regular Season: 28.6 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 7.0 APG
Postseason: 28.5 PPG 8.7 RPG 6.7 APG
3 Time MVP(should have been 4 in a row, Rose was undeserving)
1 Finals MVP/1 Ring/3 Finals
6x All NBA 1st Team
2 x All NBA2nd Team

A lot of Kobes awards in recent years(such as All defense) have been given out purely on reputation as well. LeBron James has been the clear cut best player in basketball for around 5 years now.

I love how you don't bother to post Lebron's all defensive team selections. Also if by cutting out half of Kobe's career and he's still close to Lebron doesn't including the other half mean that he's clearly a better player than Lebron at the moment?

[shaq2000]

Better career: Kobe
Better peak level of play: LeBron

This but I'd change it to

better career: Kobe
better overall talent: LeBron
better peak: Kobe

due to Kobe being the better volume scorer and, imo, better defender peak-to-peak. But LeBron is more consistent and a better facilitator.

[MiamiThrice]

I love how you don't bother to post Lebron's all defensive team selections. Also if by cutting out half of Kobe's career and he's still close to Lebron doesn't including the other half mean that he's clearly a better player than Lebron at the moment?

Didn't see them as important when Kobe gets on simply because of reputation, especially the past few years. Since 2005 LeBron has been unquestionably the better defender. These days Kobe is relegated to being that guy who guards the shooter in the corner.

Kobes defensive prime was during the threepeat where he would shut guys down. Even when you include that I'd still go with LeBron because he has the ability to shut down ANY position on top of being one of the best help defenders the game has ever seen. The LeBron chasedown block is famous for a reason. And LeBron does all this WHILE shouldering the offensive load. His endurance is crazy. Kobe was best defensively then because of youth, but more importantly because he didn't have to exert as much energy offensively because Shaq was the main option. Imagine if LeBron hada guy like 00 Shaq and focused primarily on defense. Dear god.

Comparing their defensive game since 2005? Not even close. Has Kobe ever gotten as many votes for Defensive Player of the Year as LeBron? He only makes the teams because of a reputation given to him by the media.

[pauk]

Better career: Kobe
Better peak level of play: LeBron

How did he have a better career? The only thing he got more is that 1 championship, 1 fmvp.... which doesnt overcome 1 much more impressive championship run by Lebron accompanied with 3 mvps and better level of play (domination, team impact, stats, productions, milestones, records)

[Doranku]

35 ppg, 81 points, 62 in 3 against the Western Conference Champs, 2 NBA Championships, 2 Finals MVPs, 1 MVP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 NBA Championship*, 1 NBA Finals MVP*, 3 NBA MVP (1*)

[Sleu27]

Didn't see them as important when Kobe gets on simply because of reputation, especially the past few years. Since 2005 LeBron has been unquestionably the better defender. These days Kobe is relegated to being that guy who guards the shooter in the corner.

Kobes defensive prime was during the threepeat where he would shut guys down. Even when you include that I'd still go with LeBron because he has the ability to shut down ANY position on top of being one of the best help defenders the game has ever seen. The LeBron chasedown block is famous for a reason. And LeBron does all this WHILE shouldering the offensive load. His endurance is crazy. Kobe was best defensively then because of youth, but more importantly because he didn't have to exert as much energy offensively because Shaq was the main option. Imagine if LeBron hada guy like 00 Shaq and focused primarily on defense. Dear god.

Comparing their defensive game since 2005? Not even close. Has Kobe ever gotten as many votes for Defensive Player of the Year as LeBron? He only makes the teams because of a reputation given to him by the media.

[longtime lurker]

Didn't see them as important when Kobe gets on simply because of reputation, especially the past few years. Since 2005 LeBron has been unquestionably the better defender. These days Kobe is relegated to being that guy who guards the shooter in the corner.

Kobes defensive prime was during the threepeat where he would shut guys down. Even when you include that I'd still go with LeBron because he has the ability to shut down ANY position on top of being one of the best help defenders the game has ever seen. The LeBron chasedown block is famous for a reason.

Comparing their defensive game since 2005? Not even close. Has Kobe ever gotten as many votes for Defensive Player of the Year as LeBron? He only makes the teams because of a reputation given to him by the media.

except the media doesn't vote for all defensive teams...why leave it out? Lebron James is an overrated defender he can't shut down any position this is a myth. Somehow the "media" is wrong when it comes to voting defensive teams, but they become legit when voting defensive player of the year and MVP....makes sense actually no that's just your dumbass agenda

[longtime lurker]

How did he have a better career? The only thing he got more is that 1 championship, 1 fmvp.... which doesnt overcome 1 much more impressive championship run by Lebron accompanied with 3 mvps and better level of play (domination, team impact, stats, productions, milestones, records)

3 straight finals, 2 for 3 in the finals, dominance, scoring records, etc. Personally I think MVP voting is an absolute joke.

[kennethgriffin]

kobe from 05-12

29/5/5 average
30/6/5 playoff average
3 straight finals
2 straight rings
7 straight 1st team all nba's
6 straight 1st team all defense'a
2 straight finals mvps
1 season mvp
3 asg mvps


lebron

27/7/7 average
28/7/7 playoff average
3 finals
1 title
6 1st team all nba's
4 1st team all d's
1 finals mvp
3 season mvps
2 asg mvps



hmmmmmm

tough choice... wait no it isnt


kobe