Do Europeans appreciate basketball differently than Americans?

[Fiba basketball]

I think at the pro level, you want to know where you fit in and how many minutes you're going to get. Players have egos, especially pros, and if they play one game, and then suddenly not at all another, it demoralizes you. Of course, all coaches reserve the right to bench at anytime, even in the NBA. Generally, though, at the end of a game, the best players are usually on the floor.

In Europe, I get the impression, this is not the case, and coaches go on hunches and whims. I could be wrong.

You have a good point but you will always play as much unless you play bad or your substitute has a great games but it's not like that will hapen only couple of games a seasone.

[Dr.J4ever]

Partizan, by far the poorest team in EL but our coach Vujesvic ( he coached Divac, Krstic, Pekovic when they were young and is considered one of the best coaches for Cs) is great and he wants his team to play great defense and slow offense.

Am I being politically correct to say you guys are Yugoslavians? I respect your brand of basketball a lot, just like the Lithuanians. You guys know your bball, but
I really believe you have to adapt more "Americanized" type of ball or at least pick more players who are "defensive specialists" to compete with the Lebrons and Durants of the world.

[branslowski]

They appreciate flopping more than us, thats it.

[SpanishACB]

I think at the pro level, you want to know where you fit in and how many minutes you're going to get. Players have egos, especially pros, and if they play one game, and then suddenly not at all another, it demoralizes you. Of course, all coaches reserve the right to bench at anytime, even in the NBA. Generally, though, at the end of a game, the best players are usually on the floor.

In Europe, I get the impression, this is not the case, and coaches go on hunches and whims. I could be wrong.

this is an issue only because you want it to be.

ego's are not something you mold a league or a team around. You say that if a player isn't performing even if he's top 3 in the team on paper and you bench him in the 4th he's gonna get demoralized? That's a one sided argument, you could also argue that he will understand that he needs to try harder next time. Otherwise stars take minutes for granted, how many times do they fall in auto-complacency? It happens all the time in NBA.

nba molds the league and the teams around its stars, this is merely a merchandising influence that allows them to be as popular as they are (amongst many other things, like being the best basketball league in the world), I don't blame them, but please don't try to justify that benching a player that is not performing is wrong procedure.

take the Lakers for example, if this past couple of years they played Euro ball they would have been much better off than they are. They have top talent in every position that is basically being ignored to the benefit of a player that simply put, is not better than the team as a whole, at least, not anymore.

[Fiba basketball]

Am I being politically correct to say you guys are Yugoslavians? I respect your brand of basketball a lot, just like the Lithuanians. You guys know your bball, but
I really believe you have to adapt more "Americanized" type of ball or at least pick more players who are "defensive specialists" to compete with the Lebrons and Durants of the world.

Serbs but club was founded in Yugosalvia so it's JSD ( Yugoslavian sports society ) Partizan.

I wouldn't call it Americanized type of ball, average age of players in Partizan is around 22 and when they became too good for money they get in Partizan they get sold and some othere talented players get minutes, yes team is defensive oriented but it's not because of defensive specialists ,because this year 2 best and only players that are good enough defensivly to be called specialists played on the same position, it's because of team defense that is product of practice ( they practice 4,5 h a day ).

[SoCalLakersFan1]

I don't think a lot of stars come from overseas, but the Euroleague is producing a lot of NBA level players. Something like 20% of the league is international and I'm sure there are a lot of NBA level players there who stay because they don't want to warm benches.

[Euroleague]

Maybe early player development is better in europe, in terms of training for the fundamentals, but even their coaching is sometimes way overrated. I don't want to generalize based solely on the international tournaments I've seen, but I remember the Spanish coach playing Marc Gasol with 3 fouls in the 2nd quarter of the Gold Medal game against the US last year in the London Olympics. Of course Gasol promptly gets his 4th foul before the half is over. What the? You take your lumps, and come back in the 2nd half. Simple basketball.

And what is this thing where Euro coaches keep changing their lineups at a whim? Players never know whether they are starting or coming off the bench. Defenders of this practice say it makes it all unpredictable. Yes, I agree, but also to the detriment of their own players.

Good god do you EVER stop trolling?

How man damn times have I told you Scariolo is a POS coach and one of the worst in Europe and EVERY DAMN TIME you claim I am trolling and lying.

I told you over and over that Spain had a bad coach and still were close to USA even despite that, and that Milano lost in Euroleague because of the COACH, not Bourousis (as you claim it is all because of Bourousis).

Every damn time you would argue and call me a liar and a troll.

You really are an enormous jerk and colossal troll.

Starting and bench is a strictly American culture thing. It's like everything else in America where everything has to be about putting people into caste systems.

Other sports culture don't give one single damn about that. And if NBA teams had the sense to not care about starters and bench, they would be a lot better than they are.

The starters and bench thing does nothing but make a team WORSE. If you had even a few working brain cells (which you obviously do not) you would be able to grasp that.

[Euroleague]

Partizan, by far the poorest team in EL but our coach Vujesvic ( he coached Divac, Krstic, Pekovic when they were young and is considered one of the best coaches for Cs) is great and he wants his team to play great defense and slow offense.

I call BS on that Fiba. I guarantee Partizan has way more money than Nanterre.

[Euroleague]

I think at the pro level, you want to know where you fit in and how many minutes you're going to get. Players have egos, especially pros, and if they play one game, and then suddenly not at all another, it demoralizes you. Of course, all coaches reserve the right to bench at anytime, even in the NBA. Generally, though, at the end of a game, the best players are usually on the floor.

In Europe, I get the impression, this is not the case, and coaches go on hunches and whims. I could be wrong.

Uh no. In NBA there are 1st option, 2nd option, 3rd option of the team.

Then there are the 4-5 role players of the team. These guys make the other two starters, the 6th man, then a couple of minor role players.

The rest of the roster is full of scrubs that absolutely suck and most of them could not make the rotation of decent Euroleague teams, and in lots of cases not even in average Eurocup teams.

When you get to like the 10-15 guys on NBA rosters, they are absolutely terrible players in like 80% of the NBA teams. guys that would be below average players in mid level Spanish League clubs are all over NBA rosters in bunches.

In Euroleague, or big European national teams, there are AT LEAST 10 equal and legit players. Any of which can start, or even be featured or be the best player in many other clubs.

Very common in a big Euroleague club for example, where the 10th best player on the team is only a little bit worse than the best player on the team, and where the difference between the best player of the team to say the 4-5 best player of the team is a debate.

Like, the 4-5 best player on the team, people will say is the best.........or in case of NBA only fans like you, take a guy like Sonny Weems that was like the 5th best player on CSKA, and you guys will claim he was the "star of CSKA".

NBA teams for the large part are extremely lacking in depth and are very weak past the top 7-8 players, and in many teams past the top 4-5 players.

Good Euroleague teams are strong 1-12.

That's why when idiot NBA only fans come up with this crap about how the best Euroleague teams could not compete with NBA teams, they are talking extreme bullshit.

Because the 10th man on a good Euroleague team is better than the 7-8 man on most NBA teams.

NBA is very watered down and diluted league due to all of the expansion. So they only have 5-6 guys on most NBA teams that are even good enough to start. Where Euroleague teams on average have 10 guys that are good enough to start.

There is no such thing as "starters" outside US basketball culture. As someone else said, it's not about basketball reasons, it's about NBA gimmick marketing and hype machine.

NBA in TRUTH is a watered down league where 2/3 of the players on most teams are terrible. They spin this with "starters" and bench". Sounds better than saying the truth, that coaches can't use players interchangeably like they can in Europe, because NBA teams have no depth on their rosters.

Even below average Euroleague teams are usually 10-11 deep with legit players that can be used interchangeably to most of the guys and roles on the team.

NBA sports culture of "starters" is a marketing gimmick and for money, as someone else pointed out, and NBA teams are very lacking in depth, so they only have 5-6 guys that should be playing big minutes anyway.

That's why Rubio, Jennings and some dozens of other guys can play only 15-20 minutes in Europe, then play 30-40 in NBA.

Because their NBA teams have less depth than their European teams did.

[RRR3]

Chris Duhon is better than Vaseline Spoon Lolis. Get mad Euroshit

[Euroleague]

this is an issue only because you want it to be.

ego's are not something you mold a league or a team around. You say that if a player isn't performing even if he's top 3 in the team on paper and you bench him in the 4th he's gonna get demoralized? That's a one sided argument, you could also argue that he will understand that he needs to try harder next time. Otherwise stars take minutes for granted, how many times do they fall in auto-complacency? It happens all the time in NBA.

nba molds the league and the teams around its stars, this is merely a merchandising influence that allows them to be as popular as they are (amongst many other things, like being the best basketball league in the world), I don't blame them, but please don't try to justify that benching a player that is not performing is wrong procedure.

take the Lakers for example, if this past couple of years they played Euro ball they would have been much better off than they are. They have top talent in every position that is basically being ignored to the benefit of a player that simply put, is not better than the team as a whole, at least, not anymore.

You are talking to the same guy that claims Spanoulis was given "equal and fair chances in the NBA by his coach". This guy is a tool.

[RRR3]

Maybe Spoon Oil Pus will get another chance and average 4 PPG

[Euroleague]

Serbs but club was founded in Yugosalvia so it's JSD ( Yugoslavian sports society ) Partizan.

I wouldn't call it Americanized type of ball, average age of players in Partizan is around 22 and when they became too good for money they get in Partizan they get sold and some othere talented players get minutes, yes team is defensive oriented but it's not because of defensive specialists ,because this year 2 best and only players that are good enough defensivly to be called specialists played on the same position, it's because of team defense that is product of practice ( they practice 4,5 h a day ).

Serbs need to start playing the modern Greek style basketball. Greeks took the Serbian style, and then they have modified it to what they call "modern basket".

The strange thing to me is that, Serbs are not doing the same thing, even when it was Serbian coaches (ones in the national team on top of it) that were involved in this new basketball style in Greece.

I guess maybe it is because Serbia produces different kinds of players. But I think you guys should start using the modified Yugo style that Greece uses now.

This is the future way of European basketball. I think also if Spain had been using the new Greek modified basketball that they would have won the last two Olympics. But instead they used their NBA/Euro hybrid stuff.

They can play fast or slower, more full court or more half court but they get the same result.

The new modern Yugo modified Greek basketball system is the future to me for Europe and that's how Team USA is going to meet its match, because they won't be able to counter adjust to it.

I still don't get why Ivkovic does not use that style with Serbia, considering he is one of the creators of it.

[KG215]

I think also if Spain had been using the new Greek modified basketball that they would have won the last two Olympics. But instead they used their NBA/Euro hybrid stuff.

Congratulations. When I didn't think you could get any more delusional, you go and type your most delusional paragraph ever. Not an easy feat given your posting history.

If only Spain had adopted the Greek style of basketball, the same style that got them eliminated by Nigeria (you know, the team the USA beat by damn near 100 points) from even making the Olympics, they would've won the last two Olympics.

[RRR3]

Hey KG, off topic, but your pm box is full and in one of the thread s about nick young, ymf said "best sg kobe hsas played with since 99. sad but true."