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Old 10-20-2018, 11:43 PM   #166
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Not only that but I was watching a documentary on GSW when the Warriors beat OKC in the playoffs (when Durant was on OKC); they were talking about how the Warriors assistant coach saw that OKC Durant shot like 20 shots by half-time and their philosophy was "let him shoot". And Warriors won because they knew he would shoot them out of the game and he did. The only difference with GSW is you really can't leave Curry and Thompson the way you can Westbrook; Westbrook can score but you need to re-load for a drive versus a quick-release 3.

The Warriors knew Durant's weakness when they brought him on board and they witnessed it almost derail their team in the Rockets series until they pulled him aside and told him to cut it out. To his credit, he listened; but that's his tendency and he'll keep doing it from time to time.


Wtf?

You realize that the Warriors NEED him to play like that in 2-5min spurts if they want to win games that seem "unwinnable".

KD is the ONLY reason they won against Houston last year and the only reason they swept the Cavs.

Let's not pretend here
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:12 AM   #167
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is anybody actually going to watch this snooze fest?

Lesson: If you want to watch a good game, watch the Warriors.
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Old 10-21-2018, 04:10 AM   #168
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Wtf?

You realize that the Warriors NEED him to play like that in 2-5min spurts if they want to win games that seem "unwinnable".

KD is the ONLY reason they won against Houston last year and the only reason they swept the Cavs.

Let's not pretend here
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Old 10-21-2018, 07:39 AM   #169
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Wtf?

You realize that the Warriors NEED him to play like that in 2-5min spurts if they want to win games that seem "unwinnable".

KD is the ONLY reason they won against Houston last year and the only reason they swept the Cavs.

Let's not pretend here
KD the only reason? Are you dense? If KD played that garbage hero ball all series, it would have ended early.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:47 PM   #170
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I love when Warrior bandwagoners complain about KD

Boohooo he doesn't play team ball aka he took the reigns from Curry and never looked back.

Remove KD from the Warriors against the Cavs and they might lose in '17 as well
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:59 PM   #171
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Has there been a better game this season or is this the game of the year so far?

Jazz set franchise records with 10 threes in a quarter, 19 threes in a game, and 81 points in a half right?
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Old 10-21-2018, 03:53 PM   #172
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I love when Warrior bandwagoners complain about KD

Boohooo he doesn't play team ball aka he took the reigns from Curry and never looked back.

Remove KD from the Warriors against the Cavs and they might lose in '17 as well
Most Warrior fans want KD with the team, doesn't mean he doesn't have his deficiencies like everyone. I agree with the poster above with one thing, KD played great team ball in the first year. Went back to OKC shitty iso mode last year. If he goes back to team ball and bothers to set a screen for once in his life, expect another 16-1 PS
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Old 10-21-2018, 03:54 PM   #173
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Distributing the ball to an open Curry is about the bare minimum I'd expect from KD. How many times does he hit a cutter with a pass? He also is petty and will not pas to certain people on the team- a good way to break down the team-first culture.

>You know what's hard to counter? Giving the ball to the best scorer in the world and letting him go 1 on 1.

If that were true, KD on OKC would have won a ring (esp. with 3 ISO players in Harden, Westbrook and Durant on one team). But they never did. 1:1 basketball even with great shooters produces lower percentage shots than 'motion' whose purpose is to find open men. It's less sexy but an open shooter who's far from KD can shoot at a higher percentage than KD playing hero-ball. Reality is both disciplined 1:1 and motion offense can win championships; but undisciplined hero-ball rarely does.

The Warriors were never hurting for scoring. Before KD joined, they were the top scoring team in the game. KD scores sure, because he consistently leads in FGA- and again took the most shots yesterday. He took 25 shots, Klay took 9. You give Klay those attempts or Curry instead, we'd be looking at a similar point total. How do you know? History. In this game, they all shot very similarly as far as 2 PT FG%.

You write a lot of about ISO vs. Motion; but that's not really my point. Either can be effective. In either case, teams win with team players. Arguably, KD and Westbrook were not- they often make their teammates worse. One way KD does that is by not playing team offense- not setting off-ball screens for his teammates, making lazy passes when he figures out he can't score, not looking for cutters.

He plays lazy team defense by refusing to fight through screens, low energy on rebounding despite being their tallest guy, horrendous on switches and rotation. GSW will give him a lot of opportunities with hero-ball since opposition is so concerned about Klay and Steph (KD's efg% drops 7 points with curry off the court) -- that's the easy part; if he wants to do the work, not just coast on the backs of a championship team, he needs to look at Draymond and Curry for how they got their in the first place.

You have a couple of legitimate points (doesn't set screens, sometimes a low motor/gets lost on defense, doesn't fight through screens)

But that's more than likely not his role. Most of the time they want Durant to take advantage of mismatches. They're not running the triangle, they're running a variation of it and the princeton offense.

So expecting Durant to make crisp passes to cutters when they call an iso and his team literally does not cut, is not on him.

You have to wonder, why is it when Draymond is in the high post everyone cuts, but when Durant is in the high post everyone stands and watch? Because Durant is encouraged to take advantage of iso situations. No one else on the team is encouraged to do so every time down the floor.

Shaq talked about how the triangle was an equal opportunity offense and that all he tried to do was take advantage of his touches. This is what Durant is encouraged to do.

Either way, when the pressure is on Durant has proven that he can rise to the occasion time and time again. Game 7 against Houston on the road he made two straight buckets to tie the game and he locked down Harden one-on-one on a switch.

Then look no further than Game 3 of the 2018 Finals when he rebounded, blocked Lebron at the rim, eviscerated every defender the Cavs threw at him, and iced the game while Curry and Klay froze up.

Durant would practically never shrink up like Curry and Klay did in the Finals because that's when he's the most motivated. Scoring what, 10 and 12 points the whole game in the Finals? Durant knew he had to take over. That's his role.
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Old 10-21-2018, 04:35 PM   #174
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Either way, when the pressure is on Durant has proven that he can rise to the occasion time and time again. Game 7 against Houston on the road he made two straight buckets to tie the game and he locked down Harden one-on-one on a switch.

Then look no further than Game 3 of the 2018 Finals when he rebounded, blocked Lebron at the rim, eviscerated every defender the Cavs threw at him, and iced the game while Curry and Klay froze up.

Durant would practically never shrink up like Curry and Klay did in the Finals because that's when he's the most motivated. Scoring what, 10 and 12 points the whole game in the Finals? Durant knew he had to take over. That's his role.

KD is consistent but his consistency hasn't really shown itself enough to put the game away. Curry is not as consistent but when he's on he puts the game away.

Game 7 against the Rockets, KD kept the Warriors in the game with his consistency but they were trailing by double digits at the half. Curry then turned on and had a hand in every play except one of the 29 succeeding points that brought the Warriors back to overtake the Rockets. KD has a great jab. Curry has the uppercut. That's what makes them such an effective one-two punch.
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Old 10-21-2018, 04:43 PM   #175
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KD is consistent but his consistency hasn't really shown itself enough to put the game away. Curry is not as consistent but when he's on he puts the game away.

Game 7 against the Rockets, KD kept the Warriors in the game with his consistency but they were trailing by double digits at the half. Curry then turned on and had a hand in every play except one of the 29 succeeding points that brought the Warriors back to overtake the Rockets. KD has a great jab. Curry has the uppercut. That's what makes them such an effective one-two punch.

And that's how Kobe and Shaq were. Kobe was generally consistent. But the issue was that Shaq was overkill.

Same with Curry and Durant. Durant is very consistent, but Curry is the overkill because he can rattle off 12-15 points in 2-3 minutes and it feels like too much because you still have to deal with Durant making fadeaway jump shots over your best defenders.

Durant brought a dimension to Golden State that they needed since 2015. They tried with Harrison Barnes but failed. They even had iso plays for him to take turn-around jumpers. Golden State has always wanted to have that one player they could give the ball to in order to slow the game down and they found it in Durant.
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And that's how Kobe and Shaq were. Kobe was generally consistent. But the issue was that Shaq was overkill.

Same with Curry and Durant. Durant is very consistent, but Curry is the overkill because he can rattle off 12-15 points in 2-3 minutes and it feels like too much because you still have to deal with Durant making fadeaway jump shots over your best defenders.

Durant brought a dimension to Golden State that they needed since 2015. They tried with Harrison Barnes but failed. They even had iso plays for him to take turn-around jumpers. Golden State has always wanted to have that one player they could give the ball to in order to slow the game down and they found it in Durant.

Part of the yin-yang of the duo. Curry is the one who speeds the game up.

KD had something like 5 40+ point games last year. The team went something like 0-5. On the other hand Curry had 17 30+ point games and the team went 16-1. When Curry is the one making the shots it's a good sign. When the team is relying on KD it isn't. Doesn't mean necessarily that KD is at fault but it means the team is relying on the second less decisive option either because the first option isn't available or has been neutralized.
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