LeBron James - top 5 player in NBA history, Kobe/Hakeem outside top 10

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Without question LeBron now moves into the top 4-5 all time by winning his 4th MVP and 2nd straight Finals MVP. In terms of pure dominance, he's the second greatest player ever, but people seem to place heavy emphasis on team-based accomplishments, so even though they were worse players, maybe you'd rank guys like Kareem and Russell over LeBron. LeBron is also probably the second most clutch player ever as proven by his stats in elimination games and in Game 7s (just destroys so called clutch legends like Bird and Kobe). At this point I can say with a straight face that Jordan is the only player clearly ahead of LeBron.

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[fiddy]

Stop riding his dick, ok?

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[QUOTE=2010splash]Without question LeBron now moves into the top 4-5 all time by winning his 4th MVP and 2nd straight Finals MVP. In terms of pure dominance, he's the second greatest player ever, but people seem to place heavy emphasis on team-based accomplishments, so even though they were worse players, maybe you'd rank guys like Kareem and Russell over LeBron. LeBron is also probably the second most clutch player ever as proven by his stats in elimination games and in Game 7s (just destroys so called clutch legends like Bird and Kobe). At this point I can say with a straight face that Jordan is the only player clearly ahead of LeBron.

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[n00bie]

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[Mr Exlax]

How exactly does Hakeem get bumped out of the Top 10? Is this skill level or career accomplishments?

[ripthekik]

lmao.
Lebron stan, before you go any further, please convince us how lebron can bump hakeem out of the top 10 spot first. I'll wait

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How exactly does Hakeem get bumped out of the Top 10? Is this skill level or career accomplishments?

It's simple math. Either him or Kobe. I listed the top 9 in the first post, so either Kobe or Hakeem have to be kicked out for there to be only 10 players who fit into a list of top 10 players ever.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Not better than Kobe and I'm not even a Kobe fan.

[sportjames23]

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lmao.
Lebron stan, before you go any further, please convince us how lebron can bump hakeem out of the top 10 spot first. I'll wait

Are you crazy? LeBron is top 4-5 all time. Hakeem has 3 fewer MVP's and the same team success. He's not even close. He's basically with Kobe at the 10-11 spot.

[ripthekik]

Are you crazy? LeBron is top 4-5 all time. Hakeem has 3 fewer MVP's and the same team success. He's not even close. He's basically with Kobe at the 10-11 spot.

hakeem took a mediocre team to the finals while lebron needed an all star team and ray allen to bail his ass out. All of a sudden he's top 4?
if ray allen had missed that 3, lebron would be barely top 20 right now. You should print ray's picture a4 size and paste it in your bathroom to pray to everyday.

[Magic 32]

Big men - top 5

1.Russell
2.Kareem
3.Wilt
4.Duncan
5.Hakeem

Perimeters players - Top 5

1.MJ
2.Magic
3.Bird
4.Kobe
5.Lebron

[r15mohd]

hakeem took a mediocre team to the finals while lebron needed an all star team and ray allen to bail his ass out. All of a sudden he's top 4?
if ray allen had missed that 3, lebron would be barely top 20 right now. You should print ray's picture a4 size and paste it in your bathroom to pray to everyday.

do you have the same thing of Fisher, Horry, and Gasol in your bathroom?

[ConanRulesNBC]

I think at this point you have to start making a top 10 of each era. Because LeBron isn't as good as some players that only won a championship or two and there are players from and teams from the '90s that didn't win that would beat this Miami team ('93 Suns, '97 and '98 Jazz, '96 Sonics, '95 Magic).