#30 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[fsvr54]

I'm torn between frazier, Stockton, and Ewing.

[L.Kizzle]

The original Clyde, well almost. Clyde Lovelette was the original but whatever.

CLYDE FRAZIER.

[fpliii]

Yeah, but to put him over 1ST Options like George Gervin, Dominique Wilkins, even guys like Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Iverson, dozens more, ect?
You stand alone on this I guess.

I guess so; I mean in an all-time draft for my first pick (and possibly second pick) I'd take those guys over Worm, but if I already have a dominant guy? It's not THAT crazy (or maybe I'm just nuts...). I mean at some point you have to start introducing role players, unless we count off every first option. Realistically I probably won't pick him for a while, but I'm trying to figure out what direction to go. If I'm choosing between just straight greatest players, I'd go either Ewing or Drexler here (in which case Frazier won't be for a while either).

Or pass, or make free throws. He didn't play like the best 3rd guy in league history for those last 2 Bulls championships, either. A perennial distraction whose drinking/partying affected his on court performance.

Was he the 3rd best player on those bad-boy Pistons? Or was it Laimbeer? Hmmmm, I've never really thought about it. I'll look into it....

I was counting free throws in scoring...besides, he didn't go to the line often enough that it made a difference. His passing wasn't awful, he just didn't handle the ball very often and didn't pile up many assists. fwiw Laimbeer is very underrated nowadays, though (but I'd put Rodman ahead of him).

And Dennis Rodman could pass his ass off.......

lol I'm somewhere between oolalaa and yourself on this

[TheBigVeto]

WTF? Wade is top 30? Dude isn't even top 10 GOAT SGs.

[Freedom Kid7]

Wade over Stockton?

That blows my mind Stock isn't up here at this point. Probably the ultimate 'true' PG as Isiah, Magic and Oscar handled scoring abilities while he just passed and played smart and did it like a boss

[Hittin_Shots]

Stockton

[DatAsh]

lol I'm somewhere between oolalaa and yourself on this

I'm curious as to what a mathematically minded person like yourself thinks of "The Case for Dennis Rodman", assuming you've read it.

[fpliii]

I'm curious as to what a mathematically minded person like yourself thinks of "The Case for Dennis Rodman", assuming you've read it.

I've given it a look, but not a strong/complete read

there's a lot of cherrypicking involved in his work though from a cursory glance, which distorts his message

from my understanding his intention was to show that Rodman is not only a HOFer but a strong one; I think he definitely deserved to make it into the hall and is a top 50 player all-time in my book, but the guy makes some bold claims

I'll have to give it another look, but it's always possible to distort your dataset to produce a desired result

[L.Kizzle]

WTF? Wade is top 30? Dude isn't even top 10 GOAT SGs.

He's top 10 SG, but not top 30 player. HE's closer to the 40 spot.

[StateOfMind12]

Vote - Walt Frazier

I see a few problems with this all-time list so far

-Isiah shouldn't be above Frazier or in the top 30 to be exact.
-Hondo shouldn't be in the top 30 either
-Dirk should be about 4-5 spots higher, next to Barkley, higher imo.

Aside from those minor deficits, it's been a decent list.

[WillC]

John Stockton.

All the ISH teenagers see Stockton's skin colour and immediately discount him. Time to do some homework on him, kids.

Maybe start with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAPu4nLzDbQ

Then go dig out some of his old games so you can see the complete package rather than just the highlights.

[therammingman]

payton

[WillC]

Wade over Stockton?

That blows my mind Stock isn't up here at this point. Probably the ultimate 'true' PG as Isiah, Magic and Oscar handled scoring abilities while he just passed and played smart and did it like a boss

You have to bear in mind the age of most of the voters. I'm guessing that the majority of people who voted for Wade over Stockton are under the age of 18.

[Deuce Bigalow]

if willis Reed had a longer career he would be argued as a top 12-13 all time player

he beat wilt/baylor/west in the nba finals in 70

then he beat wilt/goodrich/west in the nba finals in 73

( both times as his teams best player and finals mvp )

and he won a regular season mvp


atleast put him top 30 for god sakes

This a vote for Reed?

Wade over Stockton?

That blows my mind Stock isn't up here at this point. Probably the ultimate 'true' PG as Isiah, Magic and Oscar handled scoring abilities while he just passed and played smart and did it like a boss

This a vote for Stockton?

[Legends66NBA7]

Wade over Stockton?

Can someone honestly give me a proper answer on the huge shock of Wade over Stockton ?