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Old 01-31-2009, 11:42 PM   #1
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Default Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

With all the recent jumping to conclusions of a couple solid games without Marion led to alot of people thinking we could benefit from trading Marion. But I think it's pretty obvious we really need him, or someone like him out on the perimeter.

When you saw the teams that dismantled us this season.. it usually by consistently shooting well from the outside. In the losses to Memphis, the Bucks, Toronto, and these last two losses against the Pacers & Mavericks, its teams controlling the defense with their outside shooting. Then when the players close out too hard, they drive to the basket and get the Heat to pickup weak fouls.

So what do you think? Some will still argue the Heat can't stay at home defensively against perimeter oriented teams because we have no shot blocking, and if we traded for more size, it would make the team better still. What do you think?
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Old 02-01-2009, 11:37 PM   #2
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

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With all the recent jumping to conclusions of a couple solid games without Marion led to alot of people thinking we could benefit from trading Marion. But I think it's pretty obvious we really need him, or someone like him out on the perimeter.

When you saw the teams that dismantled us this season.. it usually by consistently shooting well from the outside. In the losses to Memphis, the Bucks, Toronto, and these last two losses against the Pacers & Mavericks, its teams controlling the defense with their outside shooting. Then when the players close out too hard, they drive to the basket and get the Heat to pickup weak fouls.

So what do you think? Some will still argue the Heat can't stay at home defensively against perimeter oriented teams because we have no shot blocking, and if we traded for more size, it would make the team better still. What do you think?


If we trade Marion we'll have a holl at SF, & if we don trade Marion we have a holl at C. either way we'll have a holl somewhere.
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:44 PM   #3
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

Well yeah, we'll have a hole at either the C or SF with the current team or proposed trade rumor of Jermaine O'Neal... but what I'm asking is which one do you think makes the team better?

A physical man-man post defender & shot blocker the perimeter players can fall back on allowing them to stay home outside against players? or the havoc wreaking versatile perimeter defense the Heat has grown into having as it's identity while hoping for weakside blocking help?

I think they should stick with what they know... stay with the hard closeouts on the perimeter players and wreak havoc with their small size. There aren't many low post forces in the East, but there are plenty of devastating wing threats that make Marion very useful.
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:39 AM   #4
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

If Jo was 100% & still played like a few years ago, then id say JO. But since he is not, then am leaning towards keeping Marion to. But if for any chance, JO start playing out of his mind in the next two weeks, then i may lean towards him. Right now i think ill stick with Marion, but we still have two weeks left.
Am just hoping that Pat has some trade that we have not herd of yet that is better then anything we've herd so far. In other words, i hope Pat can pull a rabbit out of his hat.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:41 PM   #5
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

Haha, yeah me too. I hope he somehow fools everyone and gets both Okafor & Gerald Wallace for Marion straight up, or works Al Jefferson & Mike Miller for Marion & Banks.

Completely one ups the whole league.
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Haha, yeah me too. I hope he somehow fools everyone and gets both Okafor & Gerald Wallace for Marion straight up, or works Al Jefferson & Mike Miller for Marion & Banks.

Completely one ups the whole league.



From what i read, it looks like Pat is trying for Amare, but most teams are too. PHX wants young talent & expirings for him. But at this time of the year you hear all sorts of crazy rumors. Most trades the Pat pulls off, about 80, to 85 % of them we never even hear about beforehand. So if he does do a trade, expect the unexpected from Pat, cause thats just the way he is.
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

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Well yeah, we'll have a hole at either the C or SF with the current team or proposed trade rumor of Jermaine O'Neal... but what I'm asking is which one do you think makes the team better?

A physical man-man post defender & shot blocker the perimeter players can fall back on allowing them to stay home outside against players? or the havoc wreaking versatile perimeter defense the Heat has grown into having as it's identity while hoping for weakside blocking help?

I think they should stick with what they know... stay with the hard closeouts on the perimeter players and wreak havoc with their small size. There aren't many low post forces in the East, but there are plenty of devastating wing threats that make Marion very useful.

If Jermaine O'Neal were 100% healthy I say go for it... if not... no way... and I suspect the latter... that he is injury prone and run down... and will simply not return to his former abilities.

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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

This will be old news when you read this, but

Marion and Banks
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Jermaine and Moon

I think the Heat owned this trade. Moon is a slightly worse Marion, and Jermaine could be that extra thing you need, as long as he and Wade stay healthy.

Great trade for the Heat, only problem is that it keeps them financially strapped for a bit longer, but if Beasley, Jermaine and Wade all grow together.. along with Moon and Chalmers... look out
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

Congrats on the trade, it could pay major dividends if JO stays healthy. If not, his contract is off the books before the free-agent bonanza, and then the Heat can re-sign Wade and maybe target another free agent. Seems like a great deal to me.
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

JO is a class act and a very good low post threat. If he stays healthy he will be a very good player for you. If he doesn't, your strapped for 45 million over the next two seasons. High risk/high reward scenario.
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:15 PM   #11
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

Not really a high risk. They only have him for a season and a half. Either an expensive rental or a great low post threat offensively and defensively. I'm hoping for the latter. JO has been nothing but class, and I hope he remains healthy and helps the Heat make a deep playoff run.
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Old 02-13-2009, 08:52 PM   #12
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Default Re: Two blowouts by Pacer/Mavs.... still want Heat to trade Marion?

We cant forget that we also get rid of Banks contract for 2010. as well as a future 1st, maybe even a future 2nd, & a 4mill trade exception that we could use for a back up PG or something. + we could still make a run at Amare with Beasley, Blount, Wright, & a 2nd, or that 1st if Pat thinks its a good idea. Either way i think Pat has at least one more small move left before Thursday.
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