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Old 01-21-2008, 05:50 AM   #1
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Though no one among the Bulls is going to admit it, the beginning of the end for Ben Wallace probably came Saturday night. It was against the Pistons with Joakim Noah taking all the minutes down the stretch as the ball-deflecting, shot-blocking, offensive-rebounding, bad-free-throw-shooting, bad-hair guy.

It was an inevitable progression, one likely scheduled to have begun next season after a winning 2007-08. The events of the last month probably sped up the pace, so now the question is what to do with Wallace.

Ride him until there's nothing left?

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Wish for a spark and a turnaround, as interim coach Jim Boylan has been hoping for?

Or help out Phil Jackson?

First, Wallace isn't done.

The notion is Wallace's contract, with two seasons after this totaling $28.5 million, is unmovable. (We always say things like that and then guys like Juwan Howard and Shawn Kemp are traded.) Wallace makes sense for the Lakers with Andrew Bynum's injury, and they can give the Bulls enough to make sense of a deal.

You take Kwame Brown's expiring contact of $9 million and add Vladimir Radmanovic at $5.6 million and it's a deal. The Bulls wouldn't want to take on Radmanovic's deal, which goes through 2010-11, but it's much cheaper than Wallace and may be the best way to get out from under his deal.

Wallace was supposed to be coming to a competing team; the Bulls were that last season. Wallace helped, no matter what revisionist history says. The Bulls are hardly dead, but they are in transition and Noah can play that defensive center position. And he's 7 feet tall. Wallace once played like he was. No more at 33.

But Wallace can be effective in the right circumstances.

Bynum is expected to return in two months, but the Lakers could fall badly in that time. Bynum was a legitimate second scoring option, giving relief to Kobe Bryant. Wallace doesn't replace that, but he's the kind of player Jackson likes.

With Dennis Rodman and Horace Grant—the latter much later in his career—Jackson knows the value in power forwards who can rebound on the offensive end and do the dirty work. Plus, the West has smaller players at power forward with Shawn Marion in Phoenix, Carlos Boozer in Utah, the midget of the day in Golden State and even the Spurs playing non-scorers like Fabricio Oberto or Francisco Elson.

Perhaps Wallace helps hold the fort for a while until Bynum returns.

When the Bulls and Lakers were in talks about Bryant, the Lakers wanted Wallace. Initially Bryant said he wanted to play with Wallace, then retracted.

Nothing was ever particularly close, but the outline of one deal had Wallace, Kirk Hinrich, Noah and a No. 1 pick going to the Lakers. But the Bulls also had to use other players to try for an All-Star player from another team since they didn't have one, which was the reason for the cursory talks with the Kings.

Clearly, the Lakers are not going to deal Bryant now given the success they had with Bynum healthy—he'll return for a playoff run. Wallace could look pretty good next to him to do some of that playoff dirty work.
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Though no one among the Bulls is going to admit it, the beginning of the end for Ben Wallace probably came Saturday night. It was against the Pistons with Joakim Noah taking all the minutes down the stretch as the ball-deflecting, shot-blocking, offensive-rebounding, bad-free-throw-shooting, bad-hair guy.

It was an inevitable progression, one likely scheduled to have begun next season after a winning 2007-08. The events of the last month probably sped up the pace, so now the question is what to do with Wallace.

Ride him until there's nothing left?

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Monday's matchup: Bulls at Grizzlies
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Oklahoma retires ex-Bull King's number

Wish for a spark and a turnaround, as interim coach Jim Boylan has been hoping for?

Or help out Phil Jackson?

First, Wallace isn't done.

The notion is Wallace's contract, with two seasons after this totaling $28.5 million, is unmovable. (We always say things like that and then guys like Juwan Howard and Shawn Kemp are traded.) Wallace makes sense for the Lakers with Andrew Bynum's injury, and they can give the Bulls enough to make sense of a deal.

You take Kwame Brown's expiring contact of $9 million and add Vladimir Radmanovic at $5.6 million and it's a deal. The Bulls wouldn't want to take on Radmanovic's deal, which goes through 2010-11, but it's much cheaper than Wallace and may be the best way to get out from under his deal.

Wallace was supposed to be coming to a competing team; the Bulls were that last season. Wallace helped, no matter what revisionist history says. The Bulls are hardly dead, but they are in transition and Noah can play that defensive center position. And he's 7 feet tall. Wallace once played like he was. No more at 33.

But Wallace can be effective in the right circumstances.

Bynum is expected to return in two months, but the Lakers could fall badly in that time. Bynum was a legitimate second scoring option, giving relief to Kobe Bryant. Wallace doesn't replace that, but he's the kind of player Jackson likes.

With Dennis Rodman and Horace Grant—the latter much later in his career—Jackson knows the value in power forwards who can rebound on the offensive end and do the dirty work. Plus, the West has smaller players at power forward with Shawn Marion in Phoenix, Carlos Boozer in Utah, the midget of the day in Golden State and even the Spurs playing non-scorers like Fabricio Oberto or Francisco Elson.

Perhaps Wallace helps hold the fort for a while until Bynum returns.

When the Bulls and Lakers were in talks about Bryant, the Lakers wanted Wallace. Initially Bryant said he wanted to play with Wallace, then retracted.

Nothing was ever particularly close, but the outline of one deal had Wallace, Kirk Hinrich, Noah and a No. 1 pick going to the Lakers. But the Bulls also had to use other players to try for an All-Star player from another team since they didn't have one, which was the reason for the cursory talks with the Kings.

Clearly, the Lakers are not going to deal Bryant now given the success they had with Bynum healthy—he'll return for a playoff run. Wallace could look pretty good next to him to do some of that playoff dirty work.
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I doubt they would want to take on VLadRad's contract, especially since hes been injured back to back seasons. Ben is on his way out but he'd probably be an upgrade over our current center situation.
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Old 01-21-2008, 03:39 PM   #3
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I like deal!!!!

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This guy is smoking crack, the lakers have ZERO interst in absorbing that contract period. 15 mil backup? Are you serious? That would kill any cap space they may be able to create for 2 more years and kill any roster flexibility.

It's not worth it to get this guy for the stretch run then pay for it for two more years.
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Exactly. For 15 million and counting (Next year and the year after).
I mean Ben has been upgrading his play lately but for 15 million? Isn’t that “Dwight Howard money”?

It is just too much of a burden to have that contract when we are not in a situation to be acquiring players to take that much cap up. We have like 10 players on our healthy list.
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You half to remember, there's a reason the Pistons didn't sign him to that kind of money. They did have the money to give him too, they just didn't do it. While Ben would be an upgrade to Kwame, so are a lot of other people who will come cheaper. I like the fact that Ben isn't a guy that demands a lot of shots because that would work well with a big time scorer like Kobe. The problem is, Ben isn't a PF like somebody stated. He has pretty much always played Center. When he was in Detroit Sheed was the PF. It wouldn't work out well having him and Bynum in the game at the same time. When you guys played a team like Dallas, Dirk would light them up from the outside. In Detroit Sheed was (and still is) the guy who plays the defense on the big guys out on the perimeter. Where Ben lacked in certain areas, the rest of his teammates in Detroit made up for it. Now that he's in Chicago and doesn't have those types of players around him, he has been exposed.
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This guy is smoking crack, the lakers have ZERO interst in absorbing that contract period. 15 mil backup? Are you serious? That would kill any cap space they may be able to create for 2 more years and kill any roster flexibility.

It's not worth it to get this guy for the stretch run then pay for it for two more years.

I agree!
We're finally about to get out from under Kwame's horrible contract and you think we'd be interested in taking Wallace's even worse contract for 2 more years after this?
No way.
The Lakers want to maintain cap flexability for the future.
We're already over for next year, but the year after we'll actually have cap flexability for the first time in eons.
No way we jeopardize that for Wallace.
I don't even think we'd have interest in JO now, with his horrible deal, even if we could coulst "steal him". Too much money, too much risk.
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I don't think there are too many teams who would have interest in JO this year. He's been playing injured all season. He's not immediate help to any team. I have a real hard time believing those rumors about him going to NJ this season. I could see a team making a run for him in the offseason. If he was healthy he could help out a team a lot.
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