If MJ was 2-4 in the Finals would he be annointed GOAT?

[kentatm]

Or would we all be talking Kareem like we probably should?

[NBAGOAT]

depends how he played in them. Kareem does only have 3 FMVP's. Seeing how they were favored in most of their finals however, decent chance it be due to MJ underperforming and that could definitely move him below Kareem.

[bond10]

Kareem would take it.

[imnew09]

Lol 2-4... He would be left out at top 10 by those Lebron stans

[FreezingTsmoove]

Depends how he plays....

Look at Lebron. He bows out the finals like a little bitch year after year after year after year after year. Its not like hes losing a heartbreaking game 7 or losing a close game where his opponent just went bananas. Hes getting blown the **** out and leading horrible offenses.

[Quickening]

People were calling him goat when he was 1-9...

[GINOBILI!]

It depends on why he lost 2 in the Finals and why he made less Finals.

[Young X]

People were calling him goat when he was 1-9...

That's because nobody gives a f*ck about losing in the first round when you don't have teams good enough to win championships and you're still developing as a player. It's about what you do in the prime of your career.

If Anthony Davis goes on to have this amazing career, you think anybody will care that he got swept by the Warriors when he was 22 on a mediocre team? Hell no.

[Mr. Jabbar]

no fvcking way

[andgar923]

Standards and expectations were lower before MJ went 6-6.

Depending on his performance in those series MJ would indeed be considered GOAT.

[BigBoss]

20 years from now when the LeBron stans are on welfare and paying child support with no time to defend him people will forget the regular season accomplishments, individual numbers, etc. Greatness and your place in the top 5/top 10 is defined by winning. It's about the rings.

6>5

5>2


1. MJ.
2. Kobe
22. LeBron.


2 for 7
#striveforgreatness

[Quickening]

That's because nobody gives a f*ck about losing in the first round when you don't have teams good enough to win championships and you're still developing as a player. It's about what you do in the prime of your career.

If Anthony Davis goes on to have this amazing career, you think anybody will care that he got swept by the Warriors when he was 22 on a mediocre team? Hell no.

Huh? I am not talking about developing as a player, before he won a championship a lot of people thought of him as the best player ever. It wasn't like he was in his early 20s when he got to his first finals and thus still developing. He was 28, his peak/prime had started 2-3 years earlier.

Maybe people had more perspective back then, and could distinguish between an individual players impact, and winning rings on the best team.

[Young X]

Huh? I am not talking about developing as a player, before he won a championship a lot of people thought of him as the best player ever. It wasn't like he was in his early 20s when he got to his first finals and thus still developing. He was 28, his peak/prime had started 2-3 years earlier.

Maybe people had more perspective back then, and could distinguish between an individual players impact, and winning rings on the best team.

In that 1-9 stretch without Pippen you brought up, Jordan was still developing as a player and on bad teams. He was 21-24 and not in his prime. Nobody really cares about the first couple of years in a player's career.

[riseagainst]

20 years from now when the LeBron stans are on welfare and paying child support with no time to defend him people will forget the regular season accomplishments, individual numbers, etc. Greatness and your place in the top 5/top 10 is defined by winning. It's about the rings.

6>5

5>2


1. MJ.
2. Kobe
22. LeBron.


2 for 7
#striveforgreatness

pretty much this

[bigkingsfan]

No, Lebron would be.