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Old 09-03-2008, 08:10 PM   #16
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Jason Richardson would be better...

Very little difference between Jrich and Gordon, outside of 3 inches.
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Old 09-04-2008, 05:51 PM   #17
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I don't know what your smoking but I want some

First off Jason Richardson can dunk

And averaged 3 more points per game than Gordan and was better in every other Cat. Except FT% .752 to .908 & 3PT% .406 to .410

Plus Gordon doesn't play defence you can see it in his stats....

Richardson will get you a block and 1.5 steals every night!!
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:28 PM   #18
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I don't know what your smoking but I want some

First off Jason Richardson can dunk

And averaged 3 more points per game than Gordan and was better in every other Cat. Except FT% .752 to .908 & 3PT% .406 to .410

Plus Gordon doesn't play defence you can see it in his stats....

Richardson will get you a block and 1.5 steals every night!!

Hopefully you didn't mention dunking in that it has any impact on winning or losing.

Might be an idea to check their per 48 min stats seeing as Gordon played way less mins (7 per game) and came off the pine a lot. Gordon is actually better in many categories, and the rest are basically a wash, except in FT% where Gordon is way way better, which is important for a scoring guard. Plus, Gordon is 2 yrs younger.

And stats don't tell nearly the entire story of D. Not saying Gordon plays a lot (he has also been asked to be instant offense), but Jrich is no Bruce Bowen.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:36 PM   #19
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JRich would improve Toronto waaaay better than Gordons
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Old 09-05-2008, 12:37 AM   #20
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Jason Richardson would be a good addition (better than Gordon) but that would be very VERY hard to accomplish.

- The Bobcats just traded Brandan Wright (who I think will be a good player) for him. I'd rather have Wright than Bargnani so forget about that possibility.

- Since Toronto is so close the the cap, they would need to send equal salary back to Charlotte. Richardson is owed $12 million next season.

Bargnani = $5.2 million
Kapono = $5.8 million
Parker = $4.5 million
future 1st = ??? is there a fixed value for trading these or do we find out once that future draft slot is settled? Let's just say the Raptors are picking around #17-20 so around $1 million.

So Bargnani + Parker or Kapono + 1st round pick would have to be it. There is no way Charlotte accepts such a trade. But for argument's sake if they do, the Raptors are down to 12 players total on the roster without a single cent to spend if they want to avoid the luxury tax.
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Old 09-05-2008, 12:42 AM   #21
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I don't know what your smoking but I want some

First off Jason Richardson can dunk

And averaged 3 more points per game than Gordan and was better in every other Cat. Except FT% .752 to .908 & 3PT% .406 to .410

Plus Gordon doesn't play defence you can see it in his stats....

Richardson will get you a block and 1.5 steals every night!!

It disturbes me that you put dunking as your first reason/argument...
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Old 09-05-2008, 02:36 AM   #22
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When did this become a discussion about why we clearly can't get Jason Richardson at this time? I mean, I would LOVE to get him, but it ain't happening.


If there is a chance we can get Ben Gordon without giving up Bosh, JO, Jose, and AP, I would be ****ing stoked. And there has to be some way we could pull that, especially if Gordon is threatening to ship off to Russia or whatever. Gordon would be the most talented man in our backcourt, including Jose, and would really give our bench some kick. Giving up Bargnani, Kapono, or any draft picks would be worth it. I would personally love for us to trade Bargnani and Kapono for Ben Gordon and maybe some other player or a draft pick. Just ****ing dump those no-defense bums, get a great 6th man back and pay him $6-7 mill, sign a cheap FA forward or center to replace Bargnani, use Joey and Jawai.

I realize how unrealistic it would be to expect BC to get Gordon without giving up any of our starters. Which is why I don't expect

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Old 09-05-2008, 11:48 AM   #23
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Ben Gordon is the last player I'd like to see in a Raps uniform. He's nothing more than a glorified Eddie House off the bench. He's to small to play defence at the two. Putting him and Calderon together at the defensive end would be horrific. We need somone bigger...and mid line not too expensive....say a Michael Pietrus, Martell Webster, RJ someone in that type of mold....cutter slasher that can play good physical defence.
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:34 PM   #24
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It disturbes me that you put dunking as your first reason/argument...

Why not A dunk gets the team and the fans hyped up and puts a little fear into your apponent....

As it stands we don't have many dunkers...and Gordon wouldn't improve that situation...
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:36 PM   #25
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Hopefully you didn't mention dunking in that it has any impact on winning or losing.

Might be an idea to check their per 48 min stats seeing as Gordon played way less mins (7 per game) and came off the pine a lot. Gordon is actually better in many categories, and the rest are basically a wash, except in FT% where Gordon is way way better, which is important for a scoring guard. Plus, Gordon is 2 yrs younger.

And stats don't tell nearly the entire story of D. Not saying Gordon plays a lot (he has also been asked to be instant offense), but Jrich is no Bruce Bowen.


& Air Gordon is no Jrich (Air Gordon LOL)
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Old 09-08-2008, 05:48 PM   #26
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& Air Gordon is no Jrich (Air Gordon LOL)
As Rapsfan said, realistically what are the chances of getting J-Rich? Slim to none. We'd have a far better chance of getting a disgruntled Ben Gordon in some kind of sign and trade for some of our expirers, Graham, Parker, maybe, cash, who knows.. But Gordon would definitely fill a need regardless of him being viewed as a chucker. We don't have anyone who can create on the wings and that will probably come back to bite us come playoff time if its not addressed

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Old 09-08-2008, 05:52 PM   #27
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As Rapsfan said, realistically what are the chances of getting J-Rich? Slim to none. We'd have a far better chance of getting a disgruntled Ben Gordon in some kind of sign and trade for some of or expirers, Graham, Parker, maybe, cash, who knows.. But Gordon would definitely fill a need regardless of him being viewed as a chucker. We don't have anyone who can create on the wings and that will probably come back to bite us come playoff time if its not addressed

Anything could happen at the trade deadline lets just hope the the bobcats are as crappy as last year then maybe we can steal JRich away from them.
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Old 09-08-2008, 05:55 PM   #28
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Anything could happen at the trade deadline lets just hope the the bobcats are as crappy as last year then maybe we can steal JRich away from them.
MJ signed J-Rich with the intention of putting people in those seats. Okafor and Wallace just weren't cutting it. So therefore Parker, Graham, Kapono, or anyone else we have to offer outside of Bosh, wouldn't be enough.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:35 PM   #29
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MJ signed J-Rich with the intention of putting people in those seats. Okafor and Wallace just weren't cutting it. So therefore Parker, Graham, Kapono, or anyone else we have to offer outside of Bosh, wouldn't be enough.

If there loosing they aren't going to have anyone in there seats though...and then it may be time for MJ to move him you never know MJ has been wrong before a la Washington...and we could always through in our draft picks...Anything is possible look what happened with Gasol last year.
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If there loosing they aren't going to have anyone in there seats though...and then it may be time for MJ to move him you never know MJ has been wrong before a la Washington...and we could always through in our draft picks...Anything is possible look what happened with Gasol last year.

Banking on the other GM being a complete moron isn't always the best way of putting together a trade proposal. Although Charlotte's management does suck.
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