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Old 09-05-2006, 09:33 PM   #46
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This is what I think: Team play usually don't let it have nearly as much effect on the Cy Young race. If two candidates are really close, then sometimes it will be a tiebreaker, but since it is awarded to the "best" pitcher, rather than the most "valuable" one, people don't spend so much time arguing what should consititute value, and more time arguing over who is the better pitcher.

I think Santana's huge edge in strikeouts will get him the nod. If they had markedly different W/L records, it'd be a different story, but they're both very close.
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I don't even know who the other guy you're talking about. Halladay??


IMO, Santana has no competition in the AL this year. He is clearly the best pitcher in the league and has a good shot at the pitchers triple crown.
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Old 09-05-2006, 10:07 PM   #49
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I don't even know who the other guy you're talking about. Halladay??


IMO, Santana has no competition in the AL this year. He is clearly the best pitcher in the league and has a good shot at the pitchers triple crown.


Halladay has the lower K rate, but he also has fewer walks and fewer HR allowed. He also has a more ridiculous looking beard.

Santana has been the better pitcher, but to say that there is "no competition" is silly. Santana leads Halladay in VORP 65.3-59.0 with 5 or 6 starts to go. Throwing in their identical W/L records (not that I find that important, but voters do) and it's still an open race.
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Jason Giambi- 36 HR, 106 RBI's, 2 Stolen Bases, OBP 412, SLG .569,AVG .251
Alex Rodriguez-31 HR's,104 RBI's, 12 Stolen Bases,OBP 380, SLG 515,AVG 283
Johnny Damon- 22 HR's, 75 RBI's, 24 Stolen Bases, OBP 370,SLG 509,AVG 299
Derek Jeter-12 HR's, 84 RBI's, 29 Stolen Bases, OBP 421, SLG 486, AVG 344
Jorge Posada- 17 HR's, 73 RBI's, 2 Stolen Bases, OBP P378, SLG 470, AVG 27
Bobby Abreu 12 HR's, 87 RBI's, 27 Stolen Bases, OBP 465, SLG 527, AVG 374
Robinson Cano- 9 HR, 56 RBI's, 4 Stolen Bases, OBP 363 SLG 494 AVG 338

Pitching

Chien-Ming Wang Record- 16-5 ERA.3.69 Strikeouts 111

Randy Johnson Record- 15-10 ERA. 4.94 Strikeouts 145

Mike Mussina Record- 13-5 ERA. 3.61 Strikeouts 150
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Yankees Pitching > Mets Pitching!!
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Old 09-05-2006, 10:13 PM   #52
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Reyes < Derek Jeter

Lo Duca < Jorge Posada

Beltran > Johnny Damon

Delgado < Jason Giambi

Wright < Alex Rodriguez

Green < Bobby Abreu

Floyd < Hideki Matsui

Valentin < Robinson Cano

Chavez/Pitcher < Yankees Pitching.. Check the stats

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Old 09-05-2006, 10:16 PM   #53
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Mets
Carlos Beltran- .286 average, 39 HR, 112 RBI, 16 stolen bases.
David Wright- .305 average, 24 HR, 106 RBI, 17 stolen bases
Carlos Delgado- .269 average, 35 HR, 98 RBI, 0 stolen bases
Jose Reyes- .297 average, 16 HR, 70 RBI, 56 stolen bases
Jose Valentin- .285 average, 14 HR, 52 RBI, 6 stolen bases


Pedro Martinez- 9-5, 3.84 ERA, 125 SO
John Maine- 5-3, 3.44 ERA, 51 SO
Tom Glavine- 12-6, 4.13 ERA, 108 SO


YANKEES

Jason Giambi- 36 HR, 106 RBI's, 2 Stolen Bases, OBP 412, SLG .569,AVG .251
Alex Rodriguez-31 HR's,104 RBI's, 12 Stolen Bases,OBP 380, SLG 515,AVG 283
Johnny Damon- 22 HR's, 75 RBI's, 24 Stolen Bases, OBP 370,SLG 509,AVG 299
Derek Jeter-12 HR's, 84 RBI's, 29 Stolen Bases, OBP 421, SLG 486, AVG 344
Jorge Posada- 17 HR's, 73 RBI's, 2 Stolen Bases, OBP P378, SLG 470, AVG 27
Bobby Abreu 12 HR's, 87 RBI's, 27 Stolen Bases, OBP 465, SLG 527, AVG 374
Robinson Cano- 9 HR, 56 RBI's, 4 Stolen Bases, OBP 363 SLG 494 AVG 338

Chien-Ming Wang Record- 16-5 ERA.3.69 Strikeouts 111
Randy Johnson Record- 15-10 ERA. 4.94 Strikeouts 145
Mike Mussina Record- 13-5 ERA. 3.61 Strikeouts 150


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now you dumb met fan, what do you have to say?

compare the stats, yankees own the mets in EVERY POSITION BUT CENTER FIELD, THE PITCHING IS NOT EVEN CLOSE LMFAO AT YOU AND MO RIVERA ISNT EVEN LISTED BUT HES WAY BETTER THEN WAGNER!!!


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Halladay has the lower K rate, but he also has fewer walks and fewer HR allowed. He also has a more ridiculous looking beard.

Santana has been the better pitcher, but to say that there is "no competition" is silly. Santana leads Halladay in VORP 65.3-59.0 with 5 or 6 starts to go. Throwing in their identical W/L records (not that I find that important, but voters do) and it's still an open race.

It's actually nice to see someone else throw out a mention of VORP around here

Ok ok, while it may not be a huge lead for Santana, I do think it's an obvious one. And unless Johan completely bombs his last few starts, I can't see Halladay making up the difference no matter what he does.
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Old 09-06-2006, 01:32 AM   #55
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It wouldn't shock me if Wang got a ton of votes. He's in New York, he has a good W-L, and he's in New York.
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wangs record in the AL should be top 3

johan santana
roy holladay
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even mike mussina with 16 wins..
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Old 09-06-2006, 08:51 AM   #58
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Listen retarded Yankee fan

Reyes > Jeter

Derek Jeter-12 HR's, 84 RBI's, 29 Stolen Bases, OBP 421, SLG 486, AVG 344
Sure, he's got a better batting average, but Reyes has more HR, and SB
Wright > Rodriguez

Wright has more RBI, SB, and a better batting average. He has not near as many errors as Rodriguez, and he is more consistent.

Delgado > Giambi

Delgado bats much better, play first base better, doesn't strike out as much, isn't on steroids

Beltran > Sheffield

How many games has that clown played? Whenever we go to the AL we have Beltran or Wright DH, they are far superior to Sheffield.

The rest of our lineup has been traded for, or moved because of injuries. You can't compare them to guys who have been healthy/getting consistent time all year. And if your Yankees are so good, then why do we have a better record than them? I can't wait till Maine, Reyes, and Wright get older, and we destroy the Yankees every year.
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Wow, I'm not even a Yankee fan but this was one of the most biased things ever...

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Reyes > Jeter
No.

Reyes: .297/.350/.489
Jeter: .343/.420/.483

So basically Reyes hit for a tiny bit more power and that's it. Jeter gets on base WAY more (Reyes is creating far more outs than Jeter) and is the much better hitter. Jeter is also a better (more efficient) base stealer. Reyes is the better fielder though. There is a reason why Jeter will probably win the MVP this year...


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Wright > Rodriguez
Only slightly this year though.

ARod is having a bad year (relative to what he can do) but still putting up big #'s anyways. Both are crap fielders as well. Yes, once you look past some of Wright's highlight plays, he's a pretty bad 3B ( http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...ion_nl_aug_27/ )


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Delgado > Giambi
Wrong again.

Giambi gets on base at a much better rate and is hitting for more power this year. Delgado has a higher average and that's it.

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Beltran > Sheffield
Obviously but why are you comparing those two. It should be Beltran > Damon. A healthy Sheffield is better than anyone the Mets can put at RF, LF or DH (when they get it).

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And if your Yankees are so good, then why do we have a better record than them?
Because the NL is a total joke this year. This should be common knowledge by now.

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Old 09-06-2006, 09:22 AM   #60
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