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Old 05-19-2015, 07:47 AM   #1
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Let's just see how many people would be interested in something like this. Depending on how many participants we will have, it will be either a group + k.o tournament like the champions league or just a simple k.o tournament. 14 rounds 11 players and 3 subs, so the starting eleven can be changed based on the matchup. No coaches as i don't see the point, everyone should just do their own tactical setup. I would like to have 2 reliable, knowledgable judges.
I'd say 12 hours is enough for everyone to do their pick.

So just reply to this thread if you would like to participate and also give some feedback and suggestions so we can implement some rules etc.
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Old 05-19-2015, 07:58 AM   #2
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but 12 hours for each pick is a long time IMO. Thread will most likely be dead within a week
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:03 AM   #3
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I would. But current players is boring and predictable. Ive played a draft game before where the first person in the draft chooses a player, then the next guy has to choose a player whose played with the number 1 pic (either internationally or at club level) and so on. That makes it alot harder, funner and more inferesting. For example....

1. Leonel Messi
2. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Played with Messi at Barca)
3. Andrea Pirlo (Played with Ibra at Milan)
4. Francesco Totti (Played with Pirlo for Italy)

Etc etc.


I think it would be better with retired players because that way we could go back generations and then come back to the 2000s.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:18 AM   #4
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^ that seems too complicated man.. lots of ISHers started following football few years ago

we have done all time, players born in 90s and active players drafts so far.. i won one, lost in the semis in the other and one didnt finish


Im IN for this.. lots of things changed in football in a year and we have some new posters so this should be fun
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:20 AM   #5
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Yeah we already did an all time draft, it's a bit complicated comparing players acroos eras and actually fitting everyone into one team as a lot of roles just don't exist anymore in modern football.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:35 AM   #6
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Another all time draft is a little much, but I like the first idea. You can only pick a player who has played with the player picked before. Makes for a lot of strategy, you have to consider your own pick but also the players that can be picked as a consequence.

Or some other rule to make drafting more tricky, like "One player per league" or "One player per nationality". Maks rule is the most intriguing though.

Otherwise everyone will just run a composite of top 15 or so teams with a couple big name outliers, seems a lot less interesting to me.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:38 AM   #7
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Another all time draft is a little much, but I like the first idea. You can only pick a player who has played with the player picked before. Makes for a lot of strategy, you have to consider your own pick but also the players that can be picked as a consequence.

Or some other rule to make drafting more tricky, like "One player per league" or "One player per nationality". Maks rule is the most intriguing though.

Otherwise everyone will just run a composite of top 15 or so teams with a couple big name outliers, seems a lot less interesting to me.


Exactly. Its boring as fukc if its just going to be 10 teams made up of players from Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Man City and Chelsea. There arent even that many good center backs left these days, and half the decent goalkeepers are playing 2nd fiddle at big clubs (Cech, Reina, Valdez, Cabellero etc). If people honestly use 2nd or 3rd round picks to pick players like Stirling, Pedro, Willian etc you know its a terrible draft. If people honestly recognise these names over players like Laudrop, Savicevic, Boban, Redondo than theyre not real footbal supporters.
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How about everyone can only pick 1 players from each team and a maximum of 3 players from one league ?
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:22 AM   #9
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I'm in.
The team genealogy version sounds fun.
I am fine with anything however.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:51 AM   #10
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Ill do a quick one using my format just to show how varied it could be. We could also throw in a rule that doesn't allow two players in a row to be chosen from the same team. For example if you choose Messi first, followed by Xavi, then the next player cant be from Barcelona FC. This means the next pick has to either be from another club Xavi played for (which he never did) or the Spanish national team. Like jasi said this gives you the opportunity to make life even harder for the next person picking :

eg

1. Lionel Messi
2. Xavi Hernandez(Barca)
3. Ronaldinho (Barca)

This wouldn't work because you've already chosen two Barcelona players in a row. You also cant choose players like Andres Iniesta, David Villa, Sergio Busquets, Jordi Alba, Vitor Valdes etc, because theyre all both Barcelona and Spanish National Team players. So you would do something like the following :

1. Lionel Messi
2. Xavi Hernandez (Barca)
3. David Silva (Spanish National Team)

Now that youve picked David Silva from the Spanish National Team, the next person you pick can only be a team mate from either Valencia or Manchester City who hasn't played with him for the Spanish National Team (David Villa, Negredo, Jesus Navas etc are not allowed). So it would go like.....

Round 1.

1. Lionel Messi
2. Xavi Hernandez (Barcelona)
3. David Silva (Spanish National Team)
4. Sergio Aguero (Manchester City)
5. Juan Roman Riqulme (Argentina National Football Team)
6. Rivaldo (Barcelona)
7. Ronaldo (Brazil National Football Team)
8. Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid)
9. Alessandro Del Piero (Juventus)
10. Franceso Totti (Italy National Football Team)
11. Gabriel Batistuta (AS Roma)

Round 2.

12. Diego Maradona (Argentina National Football team).
13. Davor Suker (Sevilla)
14. Raul Gonzalez (Real Madrid)
15. Andres Iniesta (Spanish National Football Team)
16. Luis Suarez (Barcelona FC)
17. Godin (Uruguay National Football Team)
18. Diego Costa (Atletico Madrid)
19. John Terry (Chelsea FC)
20. Wayne Rooney (England National Football Team)
21. Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United)
22. Luka Modric (Real Madrid)

Round 3.

23. Ivan Rakitic (Croatia National Football team)
24. Neymar (Barcelona FC)
25. Thiago Silva (Brazil National Football Team)
26. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Paris St Germain)
27. Patrick Viera (Juventus FC)
28. Thierry Henry (Arsenal FC)
29. Samuel Etoo (Barcelona FC)
30. Walter Samuel (Internazionale)
31. Roberto Ayala (Argentina National Football Team)
32. Diego Forlan (Villareal)
33. Paul Scholes (Manchester United)

Round 4.

34. Michael Owen (England National Football Team)
35. Nemanja Vidic (Manchester United)
36. Branislav Ivanovic (Serbia National Football Team)
37. Frank Lampard (Chelsea FC)
38. Yaya Toure (Manchester City)
39. Sergio Busquets (Barcelona FC)
40. Sergio Ramos (Spanish National Football Team)
41. Iker Casillias (Real Madrid)
42. Andres Iniesta (Spanish National Football Team)
43. Deco (Barcelona)
44. Luis Figo (Portugal National Football Team)

Round 5.

45. Fernando Hierro (Real Madrid)
46. Luis Enrique (Spanish National Football Team)
47. Patrick Kluivert (Barcelona FC)
48. Edgar Davids (Netherlands National Team)
49. Gareth Bale (Tottenham Hotspur)
50. Ryan Giggs (Wales National Football Team)
51. Rudd Van Nistelrooy (Manchester United)
52. Arjen Robben (Netherlands National Football Team)
53. Philip Lahm (Bayern Munich)
54. Jehns Lehmann (Germany National Football Team)
55. Gilbero Silva (Arsenal FC)

It took nearly 20 goes to get from the current number 1 to the current number 2 in the world. Meanwhile inbetween we went through some of the greatest players of the last 30 years. Was also many spots where i got stuck trying to pick players who hadnt played for both club and national teams (Usually Madrid, Barca, Man Utd) . Really dont think theres many players on that list that wouldn't be instantly recognizable to most football fans.


etc etc etc

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Old 05-19-2015, 12:14 PM   #11
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Obviously not completely accurate. But close enough


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bro people come here to relax that shit is too complicated.. and all time draft is an overkill.. ive done my research but its not the same not having watched the player in your own lifetime.. 2000-2015 is fine with me though
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Old 05-19-2015, 12:47 PM   #13
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bro people come here to relax that shit is too complicated.. and all time draft is an overkill.. ive done my research but its not the same not having watched the player in your own lifetime.. 2000-2015 is fine with me though

So far everyone else except you has been in favor of the idea. Its not overkill if you have a sound knowledge of football history that exceeds past Messis debut in 2005. How is it more complicated? This format gives you a much larger pool of players to choose from, as well as a much larger pool of GREAT players to choose from. You also wont waste as much time worrying about it, because you really don't have a realistic shot to pick a player until you see whose been chosen before you. Ill do another list of five rounds and watch it will take me less than 20 minutes to get 55 names

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Old 05-19-2015, 01:03 PM   #14
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So far everyone else except you has been in favor of the idea. Its not overkill if you have a knowledge of football that exceeds past Messis debut in 2005. If you just wanna admit that your knowledge is limited and thats why you dont want to do it, then that is fine.
Im a crowned football draft champ bro you just showed up on the scene.. im messi you are milos jojic basically

anyway the thread title says 'active' and ljj and me already said we are against all-time draft, the rest of the posters in the football thread are pretty young so i dont see the point really.. comparing eras is the most annoying thing in sports
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Old 05-19-2015, 02:12 PM   #15
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Ill do 5 rounds. One striker, two mids, one defender, one goalie for each


Round 1.

1. Lionel Messi
2. Sergio Aguero (Argentina National Football Team)
3. Yaya Toure (Manchester City)
4. Andres Iniesta (Barcelona FC)
5. Raul Gonzalez (Spain National Football Team)
6. Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid)
7. Alessandro Del Piero (Juventus)
8. Fabio Cannavaro (Italy National Football Team)
9. Arjen Robben (Real Madrid)
10. Bastian Schweinsteiger (Bayern Munich FC)
11. Jehns Lehmann (Germany National Football Team)

Round 2.

12. Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal FC)
13. John Terry (Chelsea FC)
14. Wayne Rooney (England National Football Team)
15. Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United FC)
16. Pepe (Real Madrid)
17. Luis Figo (Portugal National Football Team)
18. Claude Makelele (Real Madrid)
19. Thierry Henry (France National Football Team)
20. Denis Bergkamp (Arsenal FC)
21. Marco Van Basten (Netherlands National Football Team)
22. Dejan Savicevic (AC Milan)

Round 3.

23. Milos Belodedici (Red Star Belgrade)
24. Gheorghe Hagi (Romania National Football Team)
25. Pep Guardiola (Barcelona FC)
26. Fernando Hierro (Spanish National Football Team)
27. Redondo (Real Madrid)
28. Maradona (Argentina National Football Team)
29. Ciro Ferrara (FC Napoli)
30. Edgar Davids (Juventus FC)
31. Edwin Van Der Saar (Netherlands National Football team)
32. Nemanja Vidic (Manchester United)
33. Branislav Ivanovic (Serbia National Football Team)

Round 4.

34. Petr Cech (Chelsea FC)
35. Pavel Nedved (Czech Republic National Football Team)
36. Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus FC)
37. Genaro Gatusso (Italy National Football Team)
38. Dida (AC Milan)
39. Roberto Carlos (Brazil National Football Team)
40. Iker Casillias (Real Madrid)
41. Xavi Hernandez (Spanish National Football Team)
42. Ronaldinho (Barcelona FC)
43. Andrea Pirlo (AC Milan)
44. Francesco Totti (Italy National Football Team)

Round 5.

45. Miralem Pjanic (AS Roma)
46. Hugo Lloris (Olympic Lyonnais)
47. William Gallas (France National Football Team)
48. Wojciech Szczesny (Arsenal FC)
49. Robert Lewandowski (Poland National Football Team)
50. Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich)
51. Mesut Ozil (German National Football Team)
52. Diego Lopez (Real Madrid)
53. Phillipe Mexes (AC Milan)
54. Fabian Barthez (France National Football Team)
55. Roy Keane (Manchester United)

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So heres a list of the 11 teams after 5 rounds. Notice how many star players each team has.

1. Messi, Fabregas, Pjanic, Belodedici, Cech
2. Aguero, Nedved, Hagi, Terry, Lloris
3. Rooney, Toure, Guardiola, Gallas, Buffon
4. Ronaldo, Iniesta, Gatusso, Hierro, Szczezny
5. Raul Gonzalez, Lewendowski, Redondo, Pepe, Dida
6. Maradona, Zidane, Figo, Roberto Carlos, Neuer
7. Del Piero, Ozil, Makelele, Ferrara, Casillias
8. Henry, Xavi Hernandez, Davids, Canavarro, Diego Lopez
9. Bergkamp, Robben, Ronaldinho, Mexes, Van Der Saar
10. Van Basten, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Vidic, Barthez
11. Totti, Savicevic, Keane, Ivanovic, Lehmenn.


Obviously its not going to go all the way back to the 60s considering none of us can remember that far. When you pick the player you want, youre going to pick ones you know, not random names. LJJ actually said he likes the idea, re read his post :)

PS. If im Jojis then youre Artim Sakiri

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