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Old 01-11-2012, 10:48 PM   #9331
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Sam Rockwell was so good in it. He's in my two favorite scenes. The first being the retrospective that is done after Charley and John kill Jesse, right when Charley's life is slowly falling apart and he starts to slowly act more like Jesse during their plays. Second is when Jesse wakes up Charley from sleeping and starts questioning him about George Hite and they swap stories. Charley is petrified of Jesse in that scene.

It's a top ten movie for me.

This film was my introduction to both Rockwell and Jeremy Renner, hadn't really seen anything either one had done before that. Rockwell was fantastic, especially when Charley's personality begins to change like you mentioned when he starts mimicking Jesse for real once the guilt and disdain for his brother starts to really eat away at him. His performance was overlooked by most because of Affleck and even Pitt's work, but Rockwell was the stand out IMO.

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I felt this was one of the social scenes, where they show how alienated people could be as a mass. The bystander effect and all that. This could be the whole different issue, but kind of overplayed one. It's ok the movie didn't cover it more.

I think the point of that scene was part of the overall theme of the film- the legend of Jesse James vs the real Jesse James. James is immortalized as the romantic robin hood figure and Ford as the 'dirty little coward' but the truth of the matter is in a more murky, grey area. I think even the title (same as the book) was a bit tongue-in-cheek seeing as how Jesse is remembered as the outlaw hero and Ford the coward even though pretty much everyone Jesse killed during his life was unarmed. Even in the movie, he does what Ford is maligned and reviled for- shoots an unarmed man in the back (Ed Miller) and earlier in the movie he struck and was about to shoot an unarmed, innocent train conductor.

I think the structure of the film, opening with the narration going on about the legend- 'rains fell straighter, clocks moved slower, etc' introduced us to the myth. That's the Jesse James that Ford knew growing up and idolizing him, but when he finally gets to meet him, he comes to realize that 'he's just a human being' and a very flawed one at that. So it's ironic that Ford is villainized for killing a mass murderer and thief and Jesse lives on in legend while after his death while Ford lives a constant nightmare until he himself is shotgunned while unarmed and caught off guard.

As far as I know, this was the first film that portrayed Jesse as anything besides a noble, fearless robin hood and Ford a sniveling coward and/or opportunist. It wasn't apologetic for Ford, but definitely sympathetic I think.

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Old 01-11-2012, 11:33 PM   #9332
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...Overall, this was a completely unnecessary remake that offered nothing new.

The only thing it was good for was to dumb down the original and make it in English so they could make money off of the ignorant American audiences.



interesting. i'll definitely be watching the original, especially since it's superior.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:36 PM   #9333
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This film was my introduction to both Rockwell and Jeremy Renner, hadn't really seen anything either one had done before that. Rockwell was fantastic, especially when Charley's personality begins to change like you mentioned when he starts mimicking Jesse for real once the guilt and disdain for his brother starts to really eat away at him. His performance was overlooked by most because of Affleck and even Pitt's work, but Rockwell was the stand out IMO.



I think the point of that scene was part of the overall theme of the film- the legend of Jesse James vs the real Jesse James. James is immortalized as the romantic robin hood figure and Ford as the 'dirty little coward' but the truth of the matter is in a more murky, grey area. I think even the title (same as the book) was a bit tongue-in-cheek seeing as how Jesse is remembered as the outlaw hero and Ford the coward even though pretty much everyone Jesse killed during his life was unarmed. Even in the movie, he does what Ford is maligned and reviled for- shoots an unarmed man in the back (Ed Miller) and earlier in the movie he struck and was about to shoot an unarmed, innocent train conductor.

I think the structure of the film, opening with the narration going on about the legend- 'rains fell straighter, clocks moved slower, etc' introduced us to the myth. That's the Jesse James that Ford knew growing up and idolizing him, but when he finally gets to meet him, he comes to realize that 'he's just a human being' and a very flawed one at that. So it's ironic that Ford is villainized for killing a mass murderer and thief and Jesse lives on in legend while after his death while Ford lives a constant nightmare until he himself is shotgunned while unarmed and caught off guard.

As far as I know, this was the first film that portrayed Jesse as anything besides a noble, fearless robin hood and Ford a sniveling coward and/or opportunist. It wasn't apologetic for Ford, but definitely sympathetic I think.

Have you seen Moon yet? You should ASAP.

This was the most historically accurate portrayal of Jesse, so says most experts and his family. Not sure about Ford.
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:27 AM   #9334
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30 minutes or less was good. Aziz was funny. Cracked me up if time, especially the last scene

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Old 01-12-2012, 03:00 AM   #9335
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Have you seen Moon yet? You should ASAP.

This was the most historically accurate portrayal of Jesse, so says most experts and his family. Not sure about Ford.

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Old 01-12-2012, 03:41 AM   #9336
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Watched it for the second time last night. Just as good as I remembered it. I wish Sam Rockwell would take more leading roles.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:55 AM   #9337
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Watched it for the second time last night. Just as good as I remembered it. I wish Sam Rockwell would take more leading roles.

Agreed. I think with the right roles, he could catch on like Robert Downey Jr has.
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Old 01-12-2012, 04:12 AM   #9338
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Law Abiding Citizen. 65/100. It is pretty harass what Jamie Foxx does to Clove Owen at the end.
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:31 AM   #9339
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I had read that Jesse's somewhat flat aphex during the movie is in part because he's being presented almost entirely from Ford's perspective. We're sort of seeing him through Ford's eyes as the audience, and since Ford doesn't quite know how to interpret him, neither to we. That's a big part of why it was edited the way it was as well.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:44 AM   #9340
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Really? Maybe it wasn't a great movie for plot and such, but I thought it was hilarious. And Aniston in lingerie... she still got it.

Hot Shots 2 and 1, All naked guns, some Scary Movies are hilarious. This one is not. Some nice plot twists, some funny parts.

PS. I didnt liked that dude who worked in some big cooperation. I fukin hate this guy.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:59 AM   #9341
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Law Abiding Citizen. 65/100. It is pretty harass what Jamie Foxx does to Clove Owen at the end.

Saw that movie last year and I felt the same way. It was a well done movie. I would probably give it closer to 7.5-8 though.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:39 AM   #9342
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I just watched Fight Club for the first time in my life - I didn't really like this all that much, it scores like a 9 or something on IMDB? I don't see why. The acting is solid but the storyline is a bit too weird for me. I found the idea that todays men are all locked in a society where they can't really be men interesting but in the end as I said.. it just got a bit too crazy for me.

7/10.
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:11 PM   #9343
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I just watched Fight Club for the first time in my life - I didn't really like this all that much, it scores like a 9 or something on IMDB? I don't see why. The acting is solid but the storyline is a bit too weird for me. I found the idea that todays men are all locked in a society where they can't really be men interesting but in the end as I said.. it just got a bit too crazy for me.

7/10.

I feel exactly the same way. Of course it's ISH blasphemy.
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:05 PM   #9344
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Thomas Jane was great in this. I had a little problem with the ending, but that is only because I knew too much about Andre Stander. I'll give the film a 71%. Though that may be a little generous.
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:33 PM   #9345
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I probably would have enjoyed the new one had I not seen the original. But the original girl was a better actress (She was just more intense during the revenge scene and other scenes), the chemistry between the girl and the guy was better (his reaction was more awkward acceptance of her which made more sense than full acceptance; the dialog just gave more meaning to their relationship such as "You know everything about me, and I know nothing about you"). The reveal of clues seemed more tactful in the original. The ending of the original didn't go on forever (really? Did we really need all the follow up details that [spoiler]the bad guy businessman who we saw all of 30 seconds had to be murdered for American audiences to be satisfied?[/spoiler] The original was better in that it didn't take forever to wrap up after the climax). I really wished the remake didn't take place in Sweden and still have everybody speak English. If they wanted people to speak English, at least make the movie take place in a primarily English speaking country. Another irritation was that this movie had no new spin on the movie. Instead, the biggest changes were that they removed any subtlety, which just feels like they are speaking down to the American audiences: [spoiler]"Oh, I hope you like **** sex."[/spoiler] Did they think American's wouldn't understand what was happening without that line? There were several other lines too where the American version spelled out things for the audience when it was completely unnecessary. Also, they ruined the telling of the background of the girl with the tattoo. The new one made her seem sad and crazy, but didn't do a good job linking the too. The original was better making you empathize for the trauma she went through.

Overall, this was a completely unnecessary remake that offered nothing new. The only thing it was good for was to dumb down the original and make it in English so they could make money off of the ignorant American audiences. I miss the good ole days of Fincher with Fight Club, Se7en, and The Game. His last few movies have been drab to me.
this was a really cool post to read because i get a strong sense i'd have felt the exact same way... your specific examples ring very true even without having seen the original. i saw fincher's version last night and loved it, the suspense was great, neat visuals, and totally plot-driven which always makes for excitement. but 'obvious' would seem to be an appropriate word for comparison, and thinking back, i can't help but agree.
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