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Old 12-28-2012, 03:21 AM   #11686
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Lockout C-/D+

This flick had very few original ideas of its own. During the first 20 minutes I felt like I was watching some kind of mediocre remake of Escape From New York. The special effects often look like they came right out of a PS3 cutscene. Some of the action is interesting if you can get past the middling CG. For the most part the story was by the numbers and was easy to predict save for a couple of minor, ultimately pointless twists. Guy Pearce was solid as the sarcastic, wrongfully accused, (anti) hero but other than that this flick was very average and fairly forgettable.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:32 AM   #11687
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This film suffered from a really bad job editing job. I was reading some other reviews online and one person commented that there might be a good movie somewhere in this drawn-out mess of a film. I think that could be true but we'll never really know.

You know how I know that nobody should take your opinion seriously? The fact that you didn't think it was poorly edited before reading some other person's opinion, and the fact that you didn't know who Sally Menke was yet claim her absence was tangible.

I'm sick of people saying the editing was bad. I guarantee 99% of them have no film criticism and analysis background, have no opinion on how to edit differently (other than something general like 'make some scenes shorter'), and can't even be bothered to learn the name of his past editor even though they're putting her on some pedestal. Raskin, who edited Django, has worked on Boogie Nights, Punch-Drunk Love, and worked under Menke on Kill Bill 1&2. He's clearly not a hack.

I saw people claiming some of the bounty hunting scenes were too fast and jarring... Oh yeah? Like that couldn't be an auteur choice to edit a scene to make it feel fast and jarring like a gunfight would be?

Did the editing blow me away? No. Were there a few small things I'd change? Sure... But at the end of the day QT had the final decision anyway. The editing was serviceable since you understood the plot, and knew what was going on.
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:13 AM   #11688
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You know how I know that nobody should take your opinion seriously? The fact that you didn't think it was poorly edited before reading some other person's opinion, and the fact that you didn't know who Sally Menke was yet claim her absence was tangible.

I'm sick of people saying the editing was bad. I guarantee 99% of them have no film criticism and analysis background, have no opinion on how to edit differently (other than something general like 'make some scenes shorter'), and can't even be bothered to learn the name of his past editor even though they're putting her on some pedestal. Raskin, who edited Django, has worked on Boogie Nights, Punch-Drunk Love, and worked under Menke on Kill Bill 1&2. He's clearly not a hack.

I saw people claiming some of the bounty hunting scenes were too fast and jarring... Oh yeah? Like that couldn't be an auteur choice to edit a scene to make it feel fast and jarring like a gunfight would be?

Did the editing blow me away? No. Were there a few small things I'd change? Sure... But at the end of the day QT had the final decision anyway. The editing was serviceable since you understood the plot, and knew what was going on.

What a bunch of nonsense. My opinion is invalid because I read some other peoples opinions before writing my own? That's a non sequitur if I ever heard one. I would like you to explain why my lack of experience in editing major motion pictures has any bearing on my ability to judge a film. If I think a film was poorly put together that's just what I think.

If you're going to have a movie be this long then everything in it should have a purpose. I didn't say it was all bad but the interesting parts were scattered throughout the film. The dialogue wasn't really that great either. I mean just look at the trailer, "I like the way you die boy". Is this what passes for witty dialogue today? What a bunch of dreck.

Yes I understood the plot but there was just so much gratuitous violence. It's not that it bothers me but why do I want to watch it for a quarter of the film? It's not interesting in the least. It's not creative and it adds no meaning to the film. It's a waste of time. Tarantino needs to grow up.

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:00 AM   #11689
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Most of my post was just venting in general, not necessarily at you. But:

Your opinion on editing is invalid because you couldn't discern good from bad editing until you read someone else's opinion and just posted it here.

I didn't say you had to have editing experience. I said you have to understand how to analyze a film better. You can't just say, "BAD EDITING!" and give no examples or actual criticisms.

Look at your criticisms:

- If you think the dialogue was weak, that's not an editing problem.

- If you think there were boring parts and it was too long, in a Tarantino movie, most of that is on the script*. There were subplots cut out of the final movie and it was still this long. Editing down another 5 or 10 minutes would still leave it at over 2.5 hours. That would've helped a few scenes, not the majority of the movie if you were bored throughout.

- Having too much violence is not an editing problem. That's a special effects and script problem.

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Old 12-28-2012, 10:21 AM   #11690
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I'm surprised at the high ratings for Lawless. I found it really boring. The only entertaining scene is when ol' dude walks down the street with a tommy gun. The action wasn't really there and the overall story felt flat. Just like Inception, another movie ruined by a woman being made too central to the story. 6/10

Lincoln - 8/10

I actually want to watch it again. I had heard it was boring but i found the casting to be great and the dialog to be really compelling.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:43 AM   #11691
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Most of my post was just venting in general, not necessarily at you. But:

Your opinion on editing is invalid because you couldn't discern good from bad editing until you read someone else's opinion and just posted it here.

I didn't say you had to have editing experience. I said you have to understand how to analyze a film better. You can't just say, "BAD EDITING!" and give no examples or actual criticisms.

Look at your criticisms:

- If you think the dialogue was weak, that's not an editing problem.

- If you think there were boring parts and it was too long, in a Tarantino movie, most of that is on the script*. There were subplots cut out of the final movie and it was still this long. Editing down another 5 or 10 minutes would still leave it at over 2.5 hours. That would've helped a few scenes, not the majority of the movie if you were bored throughout.

- Having too much violence is not an editing problem. That's a special effects and script problem.

* Lengths of his movies

Rd 1:40
PF 2:35
JB 2:35
KB1/2 4:05
IB 2:35
DU 2:45

I think Django is not too long but it feels a big disjointed no? The pacing is strange, there are times you want something to happen, and times when too much is freaking happening for too long. It was enjoyable but i can see people questioning editing if their point is that some things should be shorter or longer. I myself would say i question the pacing of the film and the decisions made in that way.

I liked it more than Inglorious Bastards. I think i go into his films with way too much expectation though.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:52 AM   #11692
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9/10

A brutal action movie, it's a shame the sequels are not even close to the original.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:05 PM   #11693
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9 of 10

Beautiful cinematography, RAW violence, dark movie with a dark droning soundtrack, little dialogue, entertainment, originality and its just captivating... not a movie for everybody (might be to slow), but it sure was for me!

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Old 12-28-2012, 08:21 PM   #11694
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Saw Django earlier, pretty much lived up to my expectations from the time I first saw the trailer- it's Blaxploitation that favors style over substance, but that's a Tarantino hallmark. I couldn't help but feel that this was just one big, expensive excuse for Quentin to throw in as many 'n*ggers' in there as humanly possible. And was it just my imagination or was Sam Jackson just doing his best Uncle Ruckus impersonation out there?

It had some humorous bits, the violence was over the top especially the final shootout. Decent flick overall. 7/10
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:06 PM   #11695
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Saw Django earlier, pretty much lived up to my expectations from the time I first saw the trailer- it's Blaxploitation that favors style over substance, but that's a Tarantino hallmark. I couldn't help but feel that this was just one big, expensive excuse for Quentin to throw in as many 'n*ggers' in there as humanly possible. And was it just my imagination or was Sam Jackson just doing his best Uncle Ruckus impersonation out there?

It had some humorous bits, the violence was over the top especially the final shootout. Decent flick overall. 7/10

You hit the nail on the head here. That crossed my mind a few times while watching this. The way he loved white people reminded me of Ruckus's white worship. He was great though. Samual L Jackson is always great.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:20 PM   #11696
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Falling Down



Surefire cult-classic, and a personal favorite of mine. I remember first watching this flick when I was in early middle-school, so I wasn't old enough to fully appreciate the movie for what it is/was - which was a B movie that would be clowned and frowned upon by critics - but eventually and ultimately solidifying itself as a highly adored, cherished, adventure ... that never seems to get old.

I probably overrate Falling Down and am probably a bit biased but I give it 8/10, easy.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:23 PM   #11697
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Surefire cult-classic, and a personal favorite of mine. I remember first watching this flick when I was in early middle-school, so I wasn't old enough to fully appreciate the movie for what it is/was - which was a B movie that would be clowned and frowned upon by critics - but eventually and ultimately solidifying itself as a highly adored, cherished, adventure ... that never seems to get old.

I probably overrate Falling Down and am probably a bit biased but I give it 8/10, easy.

I was going to order this last night on blu ray. I love that scene where he bitches about the burger looking nothing like the picture on the menu. I also wanted the order another Michael Douglas movie, The Game. You should check that out if you like Douglas.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:41 PM   #11698
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Saw Django earlier, pretty much lived up to my expectations from the time I first saw the trailer- it's Blaxploitation that favors style over substance, but that's a Tarantino hallmark. I couldn't help but feel that this was just one big, expensive excuse for Quentin to throw in as many 'n*ggers' in there as humanly possible. And was it just my imagination or was Sam Jackson just doing his best Uncle Ruckus impersonation out there?

It had some humorous bits, the violence was over the top especially the final shootout. Decent flick overall. 7/10

A few friends of mine said something to the effect of the "shootouts" and violence being "forced" or overkill, but outside of that pretty damn entertaining. It seems like something I'd check up on two years down the road on Netflix; not something I'd race to the theater to see.

I still want to see Flight. I keep telling myself "grab a buddy/chick" and do the damn thang, but it somehow finds itself on the back-burner weekend after weekend.



I've come to the conclusion anything Denzel touches turns to gold, but that's me overrating because we all know his filmography isn't Hollywood's most impressive, but from a personal perspective, he hits more home runs and lands triples and almost never singles or bunts, and typically any movie he's in (leading role or not) that turns out to be a "bunt" Denzel himself usually still keeps shit afloat.

An example would be The Taking of Pelham 123, where (IMO) the movie just overall sucked, but Denzel gave a pretty good performance. An average performance from Mr. Washington, but his average > most "best" or "one of the best" from fellow actors in the circus that is Hollywood.

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I was going to order this last night on blu ray. I love that scene where he bitches about the burger looking nothing like the picture on the menu. I also wanted the order another Michael Douglas movie, The Game. You should check that out if you like Douglas.

Yeah, I think Douglas is a great actor. Not always the most diverse, but doing a project like Falling Down shows he can pull off some pretty damn good unintentional funny, and then play other roles or normalcy - such as say politician/dad in Traffic or Tom Sanders in Disclosure (which came out right about the same time as Falling Down).

I'll check out that The Game sometime. Thanks.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:05 PM   #11700
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I still want to see Flight. I keep telling myself "grab a buddy/chick" and do the damn thang, but it somehow finds itself on the back-burner weekend after weekend.

If you download you're flicks there's a really awesome flight screener out. I don't need Blue-Ray quality every time but I won't watch anything that's awful. Basically DVD quality but a message about award consideration pops up at the bottom every 5 minutes or so. Gets 8's for A/V on kat.ph.

http://kat.ph/flight-2012-dvdscr-x26...-t6920412.html
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