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Old 09-10-2006, 04:20 AM   #46
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agassi played against both sampras and federer.
he said he thought federer is the better player of the two:

"I haven't seen it before. Pete (Sampras) was great. I mean, no question. But there was a place to get to with Pete. There's no such place with Roger. I think he's the best I've ever played against."

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I understand Agassi's opinion is worth 100 times more than mine, but at the same time, I cannot ignore what I've seen from both players. I think Federer has a higher ceiling than Sampras in terms of talent, but will never get there cause he seems to like to coast through games. Much like T-Mac (I hate using cross sports analogies), who has a seemingly unlimited potential, but is content with coasting. Sampras on the other hand played with more passion and perfection in his game.

Also take into consideration that Agassi was a lot better when he played Sampras than Federer. back in the days where Agassi was able to hold his own against anyone, where as he was on his decline against a fast rising player like Federer.
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Old 09-10-2006, 04:31 AM   #47
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I understand Agassi's opinion is worth 100 times more than mine, but at the same time, I cannot ignore what I've seen from both players. I think Federer has a higher ceiling than Sampras in terms of talent, but will never get there cause he seems to like to coast through games. Much like T-Mac (I hate using cross sports analogies), who has a seemingly unlimited potential, but is content with coasting. Sampras on the other hand played with more passion and perfection in his game.

Also take into consideration that Agassi was a lot better when he played Sampras than Federer. back in the days where Agassi was able to hold his own against anyone, where as he was on his decline against a fast rising player like Federer.

Great post right there. I agree 100% about Federer. And don't worry about the cross-sport analogy, I thought it worked nicely.
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Old 09-10-2006, 04:56 AM   #48
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Who's Federer playing against? There are hardly any great players in tennis right now. Sampras had to take on players like Andre Agassi, Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl in their primes.
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Old 09-10-2006, 10:39 AM   #49
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Who's Federer playing against? There are hardly any great players in tennis right now. Sampras had to take on players like Andre Agassi, Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl in their primes.

Federer just make the others players looks like sh*t (Roddick ,Nadal probly would be the "beckers" and the "Agassis" of our time if Federer isnt there to take ALL F*CKIN GRAND SLAMS)

Federer GOAT by far
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Old 09-10-2006, 11:05 AM   #50
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its the problem with comparing generations.

put prime Sampras in this era, would he dominate even more?
same with prime Agassi.

put Federer in 1995. would he still dominate?

these are impossible questions.

the one thing that always amazed me about Sampras was that even in 2002 when he finally retired, he was still using a Wilson racquet that was made in the early 80s. thats 20 years of technology that he decided to skip. it intrigues me, because players are able to hit harder and have more "sweet spot" on their racquets these days than ever before due to technology. most change racquets every year to a new updated model. Sampras refused.
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Who's Federer playing against? There are hardly any great players in tennis right now. Sampras had to take on players like Andre Agassi, Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl in their primes.
How can you be a great player if you don't win? Of course there are no other great players because Federer doesn't let them win, except Nadal. I am getting pretty repetitive here but if there were no Federer the rest of the players would look a lot better. As for the coasting thing, he wins. I don't really get what you're saying, maybe he doesn't go after every game, but he plays smart and takes the ones he needs. He is the most dominant tennis player IMO.
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Old 09-10-2006, 11:54 AM   #52
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I think he has some work to do before he can pass guys like Sampras, Borg and Agassi, but It sure looks like that won't be much of a problem for him. If he can win Roland Garros at least once or twice, I think he's pretty much the GOAT.

It'll be interesting to see if he can get past Pete's 14 before he begins to decline or Nadal rises.
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very true...Sharapova only won Winblendon "BY DEFAULT"
and she is totaly overated...a better version of Anna Kournikova

Now she has won the US Open.

She may be overrated, but Serena Williams is done. Venus Williams is done. Sharapova will win a few more majors before she retires. Right now, Sharapova is the 3rd best wonen's tennis player in the game behind Mauresom and Hardienne. And it isdn't a pecking order. Out of those 3, any one of them can beat the other two.
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its the problem with comparing generations.

put prime Sampras in this era, would he dominate even more?
same with prime Agassi.

put Federer in 1995. would he still dominate?

these are impossible questions.

the one thing that always amazed me about Sampras was that even in 2002 when he finally retired, he was still using a Wilson racquet that was made in the early 80s. thats 20 years of technology that he decided to skip. it intrigues me, because players are able to hit harder and have more "sweet spot" on their racquets these days than ever before due to technology. most change racquets every year to a new updated model. Sampras refused.
His racquet was made to hit hard. It was heavy with a small face and was strung at 75 with natural gut.
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Now she has won the US Open.

She may be overrated, but Serena Williams is done. Venus Williams is done. Sharapova will win a few more majors before she retires. Right now, Sharapova is the 3rd best wonen's tennis player in the game behind Mauresom and Hardienne. And it isdn't a pecking order. Out of those 3, any one of them can beat the other two.

i dnt know why the f*ck the williams sisters, davenport ,hings are out of play...
Mauresmo and Hardinne was mere quarters-of-finals quiters few yrs ago
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:23 PM   #56
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I think he has some work to do before he can pass guys like Sampras, Borg and Agassi, but It sure looks like that won't be much of a problem for him. If he can win Roland Garros at least once or twice, I think he's pretty much the GOAT.

It'll be interesting to see if he can get past Pete's 14 before he begins to decline or Nadal rises.

Nadal is a limited Saibro player (the new Gustavo Kuerten)
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His racquet was made to hit hard. It was heavy with a small face and was strung at 75 with natural gut.

it was obviously a good racquet, especially for the 80s. i remember buying one in the 80s, but Wilson updated the Pro Staff about 10x since then. he definitely would've benefited from it.

and like you said, he strung his racquets from 75-77. thats like hitting a tennis ball with a wooden board. its remarkable how hard the guy could hit. its a good thing it was so head heavy.

i always liked that oldschool'ness about Sampras. i think Roger uses the latest model of the old Sampras Pro Staff.

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Old 09-10-2006, 02:33 PM   #58
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I understand Agassi's opinion is worth 100 times more than mine, but at the same time, I cannot ignore what I've seen from both players. I think Federer has a higher ceiling than Sampras in terms of talent, but will never get there cause he seems to like to coast through games. Much like T-Mac (I hate using cross sports analogies), who has a seemingly unlimited potential, but is content with coasting. Sampras on the other hand played with more passion and perfection in his game.

Also take into consideration that Agassi was a lot better when he played Sampras than Federer. back in the days where Agassi was able to hold his own against anyone, where as he was on his decline against a fast rising player like Federer.

how can you compare federer to t-mac?
you cant say he coasts through matches just because it looks effortlessly when he plays.

federer dominates the tennis rankings as much as tiger does golf. he had something like a 56 win streak on hardcourt. won every slam except the french open.

he was in every grand slam final this year. sampras never made the finals in paris.his consecutive wimbledon titles are only matched by borg and sampras, who are more like bird and jordan if you want to stick with the cross-sport comparison.

t-mac hasn't won ****.
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Old 09-10-2006, 02:38 PM   #59
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how can you compare federer to t-mac?
you cant say he coasts through matches just because it looks effortlessly when he plays.

federer dominates the tennis rankings as much as tiger does golf. he had something like a 56 win streak on hardcourt. won every slam except the french open.

he was in every grand slam final this year. sampras never made the finals in paris.his consecutive wimbledon titles are only matched by borg and sampras, who are more like bird and jordan if you want to stick with the cross-sport comparison.

t-mac hasn't won ****.

Yeah I didn't get that either. If there was a T-mac in tennis it would be Safin, but he's a much worse case than tmac. He had so much potential but absolutely no focus. So good but so inconsistant
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He'll never be considered the GOAT if he keeps getting dominated by a teenager from Spain whenever they play on clay.

And that teenager's only getting better on grass courts, everyone saw what he did at Wimbledon.
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