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Old 09-10-2006, 08:49 PM   #106
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Can you really be the GOAT if your skills dont dominate on all surfaces? He couldnt play for ***** on clay. Not just that he didnt win the french open, he couldnt play for ***** on clay, period. That shows his game wasnt very complete, as he needed harder surfaces to win. If he was really as complete as a GOAT would be, he wouldnt have failed so completely on clay surfaces.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:00 PM   #107
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Can you really be the GOAT if your skills dont dominate on all surfaces? He couldnt play for ***** on clay. Not just that he didnt win the french open, he couldnt play for ***** on clay, period. That shows his game wasnt very complete, as he needed harder surfaces to win. If he was really as complete as a GOAT would be, he wouldnt have failed so completely on clay surfaces.

omfg PETE SAMPRAS never won on clay and FEDERER lost ROLAND GARROS FINALS( i cant say he play like a ***** on clay)

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Old 09-10-2006, 09:03 PM   #108
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I think the fact that Sampras was SO amazing on the other surfaces, you can look past his weakness on clay when speaking about "overall greatness".
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I think the fact that Sampras was SO amazing on the other surfaces, you can look past his weakness on clay when speaking about "overall greatness".

exactly...same for Roger
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:10 PM   #110
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omfg PETE SAMPRAS never won on clay and FEDERER lost ROLAND GARROS FINALS( i cant say he play like a ***** on clay)

huh
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:11 PM   #111
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I think the fact that Sampras was SO amazing on the other surfaces, you can look past his weakness on clay when speaking about "overall greatness".


I think sampras was one of best up until now. Despite his clay weakness. But being ***** on clay exposes his game as being hugely incomplete. If he was really that great he would have been able to win there.
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exactly...same for Roger
Roger > Sampras on clay without question.
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I think sampras was one of best up until now. Despite his clay weakness. But being ***** on clay exposes his game as being hugely incomplete. If he was really that great he would have been able to win there.

i mean...Federer is not horrible on clay...he isnt the best, just it (Damn Nadal)
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Roger > Sampras on clay without question.

The interesting thing is Sampras only won 3 clay titles in his entire career. As of now, Federer has won 5 clay titles, meaning already in his young career, he won more on clay than Sampras ever did. So whatever Roger does on clay for the rest of his career just adds distance between himself and Pete on that surface.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:46 PM   #115
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The difference between the two is that Fed is as good defensively as just about anyone besides the nadals/agassis of the world. Pete was almost pure offense. He was without question the best offensive player ever but Fed is darn good offensively too. I mean think about it this way, roddick was broken more today than in the entire rest of the tourney combined. As to Fed coasting, yes he does. All of the greats do. You ration your energy. Jordan did it, Bird did it, and fed does it. That said, I dont think he coasts anywhere near as much as people act like he does.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:52 PM   #116
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It just looks like he does sometimes when he's really just trying to set you up. He needs to work on his volley game if he's going to continue to try it though.
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I thnik he's the GOAT already. At 25, he has 9 grand slams (14 is the record)

The guy is the Tiger Woods of tennis. It's just a matter of time till be breaks all the records...
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I thnik he's the GOAT already. At 25, he has 9 grand slams (14 is the record)

The guy is the Tiger Woods of tennis. It's just a matter of time till be breaks all the records...
Except hes more dominant. 9 of the last 14 majors. Just think about that.
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Old 09-10-2006, 10:16 PM   #119
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Federer is probably the GOAT when all is said and done.

(IMO, Borg could have the strongest case considering all he did by the age of 25 -- 11 GS in 28 tries vs. 14 GS in 52 tries for Sampras)

1. Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon in 2000 while Pete was going for Borg's record of 5 straight Wimby's on Pete's best and favorite surface. Sampras was slightly past his prime, while Roger was still a couple years away from his.

2. Federer can win on clay. Already Federer has won more clay titles at age 25 than Sampras did in his entire career. Federer has shown from losing to Nadal in the SF and F's of the French Open, he is clearly the 2nd best clay court player of his generation. (Nadal is arguably one of the best ever) Sampras made it to the SF of the French only once, and was he never close to being one of the best clay courters of his generation (maybe the 10-15th best) Clay accounts for roughly 40% of all tournaments on tour.

3. Federer has a much better backhand than Pete (don't know where Wang got that one), is a much better return of server, has better movement and better shotmaking. Pete had a better serve and better volleying. Their forehands were pretty equal.
Federer is always a threat to break his opponents serve, Pete was not. Pete played alot of tiebreakers and relied on his serve to get him out of trouble. Federer has a comparable serve that is one of th best on tour, though admittedly not as big as Pete's.

4. Sampras had a losing record to Hewitt, Safin, and Roddick. Federer OWNS these players.

5. Sampras' generation is overrated. Becker, Edberg, Lendl and others were injured and past their primes when Pete played. His true rivals were Andre, Courier, Chang, Rafter and Ivansevic. During this time Amercians were winning the French Open (hardly ever seen) and baseliners (Agassi, Courier) and mediocre players (Pioline, Washington) were winning Wimbledon or in the finals (hardly ever seen)

Federer's generation has a much deeper pool of talent. The game is more popular and more global. There are also almost 1 billion more people in Federer' generation than Pete's. The US doesn't dominate the game anymore (sound familiar NBA fans), the rest of the world has caught up. Why does everyone think there is no talent in this generation? Did the talent gene skip a generation?
The onyl reason this generation looks weak is because they can't win titles thanks to Federer, yet players like Safin and Hewitt who are Federer's age, were smoking Sampras in the USO finals not too long ago.


6. You will find more players, analysts and fans that will tell you Federer is the GOAT than those that Sampras is the GOAT.

7. Federer has average roughly 5 losses per year the last 3 years. This year he has only lost to two players (Nadal and Murray). Sampras averaged around 15 losses a year during his peak. Federer's losses has been to talented top players, Sampras lost a wide variety of players and more often.
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Old 09-10-2006, 10:27 PM   #120
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Where do you see Agassi and Jimmy Connors in relation to Sampras/Federer?
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