Cavs 2010 salary-cap flexibility is better than NY -- think LeBron knows this?

[PleezeBelieve]

I mean, at what point should this dude go in recruit mode for the Cleveland Cavaliers? I mean, should their be a level of expectation for to do this? Cavs have found a core while retaining salary cap wiggle room.

2010:

*Cavs have 35 million in commited salary, but that includes LeBron's 17 million player option. If he opts out, that leaves payroll at 18 million, in addition to maintaining LeBron's Bird Rights. Plus hey have '09 and '10 first round picks.

*New York current has 18 million on the books for 2010. That includes Curry and Jefferies 11 million and 7 million player options, respectively. Both of those are the last year in their deals. New York has a pick in '09, but no pick in '10. If New York has any plans on signing top-tier free agents to first-starying deals of around 20 million, I don't see how they could accumalte an entire roster. Thats 40 mill right there, plus the 18 mill that's already on the books for four roster players.

Basically, its suicide for LeBron to do anything but champion his own current team's prospects right now. Even entertaining the thought of leaving hurts him in the end if he stays in Cleveland.

C'mon LeBron, smartenup, homeboy.

[statman32]

Originally Posted by PleezeBelieve

*Cavs have 35 million in commited salary, but that includes LeBron's 17 million player option. If he opts out, that leaves payroll at 18 million, in addition to maintaining LeBron's Bird Rights. Plus hey have '09 and '10 first round picks.

Thats not how it works kid. If he opts out, they maintain his Bird Rights but 15.7 to 17.1 mil would be his cap hold. They could renounce him to get that off but then they would lose his Bird Rights.

[gts]

there will be a cap hold on lebron's salary when he becomes a free agent you forgot to figure in... at least 10 million if not more so the cavs don't have the space you think they do

edit: statman beat me to it

[statman32]

New York current has 18 million on the books for 2010. That includes Curry and Jefferies 11 million and 7 million player options, respectively. Both of those are the last year in their deals. New York has a pick in '09, but no pick in '10. If New York has any plans on signing top-tier free agents to first-starying deals of around 20 million, I don't see how they could accumalte an entire roster. Thats 40 mill right there, plus the 18 mill that's already on the books for four roster players.

New York will be paying 16-18 million a year to sign top-tier free agents. Not 20 mil to start out. They also have this off-season and next season to get rid of Jeffries and Curry.

[PleezeBelieve]

Originally Posted by statman32

Thats not how it works kid. If he opts out, they maintain his Bird Rights but 15.7 to 17.1 mil would be his cap hold. They could renounce him to get that off but then they would lose his Bird Rights.

Bottomline, their cap is better than New York's...by far.

Are you disagreeing?

[PleezeBelieve]

Originally Posted by statman32

New York will be paying 16-18 million a year to sign top-tier free agents. Not 20 mil to start out. They also have this off-season and next season to get rid of Jeffries and Curry.

Why would anyone take Curry or Jefferies when everyone else is trying to get the cap.

And look, I'm not trying to argue the cap, just that Cleveland's cap situation is far better than New York's.

[statman32]

Originally Posted by PleezeBelieve

Bottomline, their cap is better than New York's...by far.

Are you disagreeing?

New York is on the hook for around 25 mil. (5 players)
Cleveland is on the hook for around 40 mil. (7 players)

Think kid. FLEXIBILITY.

[gts]

summer of 2010 the cavs have about 45 million in cap holds against their salary total not including james... if he opts out the cap hold alone nearly put the cavs over the cap unless they start denouncing rights to players...thay have little if no space to operate for any outside free agents and keep the roster together

[Da KO King]

Originally Posted by PleezeBelieve

Bottomline, their cap is better than New York's...by far.

Are you disagreeing?

Cleveland's cap may be better but you also have to factor in that Cleveland is a dump. (No offense to any residents but I was not impressed by Cleveland at all)

So LeBron may be willing to lose a few million in team salary to move to a better city with more marketing opportunities.

[PleezeBelieve]

Originally Posted by gts

summer of 2010 the cavs have about 45 million in cap holds against their salary total not including james... if he opts out the cap hold alone nearly put the cavs over the cap unless they start denouncing rights to players...thay have little if no space to operate for any outside free agents and keep the roster together

what the f*ck are you talking about? 45 million w/o James?

Okay, prove it.

[PleezeBelieve]

Originally Posted by statman32

New York is on the hook for around 25 mil. (5 players)
Cleveland is on the hook for around 40 mil. (7 players)

Think kid. FLEXIBILITY.

Cavs would want to sign one max deal player. New york would want to sign two, alledgedly.

Cavs = flexibility

Knicks = no flexibility

I can't believe you are sitting here saying New york has a chance to sign two-max free agents with 20+ mill devoted to four oster players, but the Cavs can't sign one max deal with payroll just around 35 mill for seven roster spots.

[gts]

do you know what a cap hold is PB? well obviosuly not because you didn't use them in your calculations
here ya go

A cap hold is the amount of space free agent counts towards a team's cap. These "cap holds" factor in when a team signs free agents. If they didn't exist, a team could use their cap space to sign other free agents until the space was gone, and then re-sign their own free agents using the Bird exception. A cap hold cannot exceed the maximum contract offer that player can receive on the open market (as defined by years of experience - indicated in the table above by MAX followed by the years of experience). The cap hold disappears if the team renounces their own free agent, that free agent signs with a

cap holds for the season you're talking about the summer of 2010
Ben Wallace MAX 10+ (that's max salary for a 10 year vet. that's based on what another team can offer him around 15 mill)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas $17,311,611
Sasha Pavlovic $10,285,000
Anderson Varejao $9,319,440

so there's roughly 50 mill without lebron counting against the cap lebron cap hold is max 8 or roughly 12 million

so now take your numbers and re do them, you'll find with cap holds and signed players the cavs are so far over the cap that the MLE will be all they have to operate with unless they denounce players left and right


the knicks on the other hand only have holds on
Larry Hughes MAX 10+
Al Harrington $15,040,313
Cuttino Mobley $14,250,000
Quentin Richards $13,050,000
Chris Duhon $7,238,160

any of which they would gladly denounce to make a run at a top free agent

[PleezeBelieve]

Originally Posted by gts

do you know what a cap hold is PB? well obviosuly not because you didn't use them in your calculations
here ya go



cap holds for the season you're talking about the summer of 2010
Ben Wallace MAX 10+ (that's max salary for a 10 year vet. that's based on what another team can offer him around 15 mill)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas $17,311,611
Sasha Pavlovic $10,285,000
Anderson Varejao $9,319,440

so there's roughly 50 mill without lebron counting against the cap lebron cap hold is max 8 or roughly 12 million

so now take your numbers and re do them, you'll find with cap holds and signed players the cavs are so far over the cap that the MLE will be all they have to operate with unless they denounce players left and right


the knicks on the other hand only have holds on
Larry Hughes MAX 10+
Al Harrington $15,040,313
Cuttino Mobley $14,250,000
Quentin Richards $13,050,000
Chris Duhon $7,238,160

any of which they would gladly denounce to make a run at a top free agent

Ummmm, so why wouldn't Cleveland denounce their Bird Rights for Z and Ben again?

I need to know why you are including their 'hold' against the cap but not doing tthe same for the Knicks 19382928 million free agents.

[gts]

Originally Posted by PleezeBelieve

I need to know why you are including their 'hold' against the cap but not doing tthe same for the Knicks 19382928 million free agents.

Originally Posted by gts

the knicks on the other hand only have holds on
Larry Hughes MAX 10+
Al Harrington $15,040,313
Cuttino Mobley $14,250,000
Quentin Richards $13,050,000
Chris Duhon $7,238,160

any of which they would gladly denounce to make a run at a top free agent

reading is fundamental !

[PleezeBelieve]

Originally Posted by gts

reading is fundamental !

Answer the first part of my post.