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Old 11-21-2008, 02:58 PM   #1
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Default Should Terry Porter let these guys run?

The Suns need to run again! They are struggling to score this year using this half court offense! They run too many plays through Shaq and you see guys just standing there! I'm glad to see Shaq playing the way he is but, everyone looks terrible out there. Diaw is playing better this year. Does anyone agree that they should maybe run to get there offense going and then try to incorparate the half court game?
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Old 11-21-2008, 04:01 PM   #2
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The Suns need to run again! They are struggling to score this year using this half court offense! They run too many plays through Shaq and you see guys just standing there! I'm glad to see Shaq playing the way he is but, everyone looks terrible out there. Diaw is playing better this year. Does anyone agree that they should maybe run to get there offense going and then try to incorparate the half court game?

It's probably safe to say most would agree, including at least 3/4 of the Suns roster. That was the original plan--Shaq would provide the post presence we didn't have, rebound/defend/and "fit in." Somehow it got reversed and everyone else is trying to fit in with Shaq so he can "do what he does." Regardless of what the W/L record shows, they are looking pathetic.
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No. **** Nash and Bell if they want to *****. This was gonna be a work in progress. If they cant handle it gtfo.
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:57 PM   #4
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No. **** Nash and Bell if they want to *****. This was gonna be a work in progress. If they cant handle it gtfo.

They're not the only ones raising questions, not by a long shot. This situation is not what anyone expected and that includes #1.
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Old 11-21-2008, 08:16 PM   #5
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They're not the only ones raising questions, not by a long shot. This situation is not what anyone expected and that includes #1.
What are you talking about? What other plays are raising questions? What has Amare said that would make you think he doesnt agree with the system?
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Old 11-21-2008, 08:37 PM   #6
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What are you talking about? What other plays are raising questions? What has Amare said that would make you think he doesnt agree with the system?

I think he agrees with the suggestion originally made in Domingo's first post, as evidenced by the following from Coro's Sun Dish 9/21/08:

"* Subject: Amare Stoudemire ... You know there is uncertainty about the present and a longing for the past when Stoudemire mentions D'Antoni with reverence after how he never spoke up for D'Antoni when his future hung in the balance and took shots after his departure by saying the team never practiced defense.
"We play so well within our fastbreak with Coach D'Antoni," Stoudemire said. "With Terry Porter here, it was a little different here. We've just got to adjust and see if we can find the balance between fastbreak and half-court.""

"Finding the balance" is pretty much in agreement with Nash's earlier quote in the same article--they need to blend a little of what they've been doing (the running game) with what they're trying to do now (the half court game). No easy task. So if you're going jump in and blast two players for questioning the status quo, at least include the rest as well--along with everyone else on the planet who can plainly see the problem, the problem being that right now it just needs work.
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I think he agrees with the suggestion originally made in Domingo's first post, as evidenced by the following from Coro's Sun Dish 9/21/08:

"* Subject: Amare Stoudemire ... You know there is uncertainty about the present and a longing for the past when Stoudemire mentions D'Antoni with reverence after how he never spoke up for D'Antoni when his future hung in the balance and took shots after his departure by saying the team never practiced defense.
"We play so well within our fastbreak with Coach D'Antoni," Stoudemire said. "With Terry Porter here, it was a little different here. We've just got to adjust and see if we can find the balance between fastbreak and half-court.""

"Finding the balance" is pretty much in agreement with Nash's earlier quote in the same article--they need to blend a little of what they've been doing (the running game) with what they're trying to do now (the half court game). No easy task. So if you're going jump in and blast two players for questioning the status quo, at least include the rest as well--along with everyone else on the planet who can plainly see the problem, the problem being that right now it just needs work.
There is no difference in what Amare said and what Porter/Kerr have said all along. It's all about them adjusting and finding the perfect balance.

Nashs comments in that article were different from his comments a week or two ago where him and Bell both questioned the direction of the offense. Nashs comments after the game this time were fine while Bell refused to even talk about it.
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Old 11-22-2008, 04:54 AM   #8
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^Bloody oath Statman they didn't cut you any slack on that avatar bet

Porter has a tonne of work to do this year to get Nash and our shooters comfortable while still getting high percentage shots inside from Amare and Shaq.

But the key issue is that when things are close, we should get the best possible shot. Like a Nash-Amare pick and roll, a Shaq low post isolation play against an overmatched defender, or an Amare high post isolation play. We lost that Laker game in one stretch - where we'd run up the court, make one pass and then take a long perimeter shot (almost all of which missed during this stretch) - and then they'd come back and hit a 3. That happened several times in a row, and it killed us. I was chanting 'get the ball to Amare' the whole time but we kept taking low percentage shots during that critical stretch.

Fair enough, during this particular game, Amare had a very bad time inside - he missed all those gimme shots and even a dunk. That hurt us a lot and probably killed our chances of a comeback. But how often is that going to happen? Opponents simply can't rely on Stoudemire missing dunks and shots from 2 feet out. That's quite possibly the worst game plan ever.

They played most of the game at a controlled, half court pace, working the ball around and trying to get a good shot. But when things got tight and the Lakers made their critical run, our guards panicked and we reverted to some kind of retarded offense that looked like last year's Knicks. It was just for a few minutes and Porter ended it with a timeout, but that stretch was enough to kill us. And it will usually kill us when we play against a top notch team.

Overall, our perimeter players just haven't looked completely comfortable this season. It'll definitely take some time for Porter to work out how to get them in rhythm while still getting good shots inside when it counts. I really hope they can resolve it before it affects our playoff standing too much.
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Old 11-23-2008, 02:13 PM   #9
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Default Re: Should Terry Porter let these guys run?

If we wanted to run, we woulden't have fired the best run and gun coach in the nba....There would be no point in trying to turn back, im pretty sure porter dosen't really no how to teach the guys ssol anyways
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:01 PM   #10
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Default Re: Should Terry Porter let these guys run?

If Shaq can maintain his allstar form there's no reason why you wouldn't want to base the offense around him. That being said, there's a good 15-20 min a game where he's not out there and then the boys should be running.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:35 PM   #11
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If Shaq can maintain his allstar form there's no reason why you wouldn't want to base the offense around him. That being said, there's a good 15-20 min a game where he's not out there and then the boys should be running.


I agree with you 100%! When Shaq does come out they should run alot more instead of run a half court set! I agree with that all the way!
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