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Old 12-13-2008, 01:58 PM   #16
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that's why i said lets stay away from players... unless they made an actual impact on the game and how it is played...

for this discussion the man who shoots the best jump shot ever is not as important as the man who invented the jumpshot.. the player who has the best slam dunk is not as important as the first guy to realize he could dunk the ball.. phil jackson and his 9 rings is not as important as tex winter, because it was tex that invented the triangle (actually he made it work)

If that is what you want then here is somebody more important and changed how the game was played. He was probably one of the most influential players in the history of basketball, not just NBA.

Pete Maravich, better known as "Pistol" Pete, was the first Steve Nash of the basketball world. Much of the moves that people like Nash, Isiah Thomas, Magic, John Stockton, Jason Kidd used were first created by Pistol Pete. A person that I used to know was a nephew of Rick Barry said that Rick told him that Pistol Pete was the first guy ever that had to be guarded from halfcourt. He couldn't be left alone, and if there was a 3pt shot in Pistol's era, he would have been averaging over 40-45 PPG easily in the NBA(this is according to what Rick Barry said himself). I believe he was also the first guy that used and perfected the no-look pass. I seriously wonder how his career would have ended up if he had played 12-13 years in the NBA. Sh*t, he would have possibly ended up as a top 5 player of all time in NBA history with the skills he had and the moves that he came up with. Nobody knew what to expect from him. He might pass around and behind his back to some open guy 30 feet away. This was the guy that did it all on the court. A truly spectacular player or a pioneer that changed the meaning of basketball.

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Perhaps the greatest creative offensive talent in history, Peter Press Maravich rarely duplicated the same move twice. "Pistol Pete" dazzled the crowd with his Harlem Globetrotter-like dribbling, ability to toss a no-look pass with pinpoint accuracy, or make a fall-away jumper with two defenders draped on him. The court was his personal playground, every night was a show, and no one knew what scoring records he might shatter. In only three years playing for his father Press at LSU, Maravich scored 3,667 points, while averaging an incredible 44.2 ppg -- both NCAA records. Noted for his floppy gray socks and mop of brown hair, Pete set numerous other NCAA, SEC, and school records, and led the NCAA in scoring three times. As a pro, Maravich was a four-time NBA All-Star, and led the NBA league in scoring for the 1977 season, averaging 31.1 ppg for the New Orleans Jazz.
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"He was so far ahead of the game as far as ball-handling and creativeness. Back then it was like, ‘Oh, that’s showboating.’ No, he took the game to another level.”–Mike D’Antoni
“We’re all doing things he did first.”–Steve Nash
“I learned all my tricks from Pete Maravich.”–Kobe Bryant
“He [Pete] was an artist. His canvas was the basketball floor and his brush was the basketball.”–Paul Westphal
“You were never quite sure what he was going to do with the ball in the open court. He had a thousand moves to either shoot it or pass it.”–Jack Ramsay, Hall of Fame Coach
"He could have played blind. The man was a true virtuoso. There were no Pete Maraviches before he came along, and there never has been since. This Mozart of the Hardwood….”–Bob Dylan
“(Oscar) Robertson was the best guard I ever played against. Jerry West was the best I ever played with. And Pete is the best I’ve ever seen.”–Elgin Baylor

http://netnotables.com/2008/01/16/pi...h-quotes-vids/

P.S. Better now? I had to put some thought into this. I was thinking of what Rick Barry contributed and then it hit me. Maravich was the guy, and it was in front of me the whole time. Anyways, the story about me knowing Rick Barry's nephew is no lie. I knew him for about 5 years and he would talk about Rick Barry all the time.

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Old 12-13-2008, 09:22 PM   #17
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Stumbled across this while trying to fin out who invented the basketball net...

13 Rules of Basketball - Written by James Naismith

The ball may be thrown in any direction with one or both hands.
The ball may be batted in any direction with one or both hands, but never with the fist.
A player cannot run with the ball. The player must throw it from the spot on which he catches it, allowance to be made for a man running at good speed.
The ball must be held by the hands. The arms or body must not be used for holding it.
No shouldering, holding, pushing, striking or tripping in any way of an opponent. The first infringement of this rule by any person shall count as a foul; the second shall disqualify him until the next goal is made or, if there was evident intent to injure the person, for the whole of the game. No substitution shall be allowed.
A foul is striking at the ball with the fist, violations of Rules 3 and 4 and such as described in Rule 5.
If either side makes three consecutive fouls it shall count as a goal for the opponents (consecutive means without the opponents in the meantime making a foul).
A goal shall be made when the ball is thrown or batted from the grounds into the basket and stays there, providing those defending the goal do no touch or disturb the goal. If the ball rests on the edges, and the opponent moves the basket, it shall count as a goal.
When the ball goes out of bounds, it shall be thrown into the field and played by the first person touching it. In case of dispute the umpire shall throw it straight into the field. The thrower-in is allowed five seconds. If he holds it longer, it shall go to the opponent. If any side persists in delaying the game, the umpire shall call a foul on them.
The umpire shall be the judge of the men and shall note the fouls and notify the referee when three consecutive fouls have been made. He shall have power to disqualify men according to Rule 5.
The referee shall be judge of the ball and shall decide when the ball is in play, in bounds, to which side it belongs, and shall keep the time. He shall decide when a goal has been made and keep account of the goals, with any other duties that are usually performed by a referee.
The time shall be two fifteen-minute halves, with five minutes rest between.
The side making the most goals in that time shall be declared the winner.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:42 AM   #18
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Senda Berenson Abbott



The pioneer for womens basketball. She put together the first womens collegiate game on March 21, 1893. She authored the first Basketball Guide for Women from 1901-1907 which was a modified version of Naismith's rules for women.

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Born: March 19, 1868
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Senda Berenson Abbott was the "Mother of Women's Basketball." As the director of physical education at Smith College in Northampton, MA, Berenson Abbott incorporated the same concepts James Naismith had developed for men into an exercise regime for her all-female classes. Like Naismith, she stressed socialization and cooperation rather than competition. Since vigorous exercise for women was thought unhealthy, she divided the court into three sections and required players to stay in their assigned section. From the time the first game was held at Smith, (no male spectators were allowed), Berenson Abbott poured her energy, passion, and dedication into improving women's basketball. Author and founder of the first Basketball Guide for Women, she chaired the Women's Basketball Committee for twelve years and continued to edit her rules guidebook throughout her life.

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Senda Berenson Abbott haha i had her bookmarked for today!!!!
good one IHTT

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Born: July 7, 1917
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Died: September 27, 1990


A former postmaster general, a special assistant to Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, and the national chairman of the Democratic Party, Larry O' Brien made the transition from politics to sports in 1975 by becoming NBA commissioner. O'Brien's contributions to the world of basketball are enormous. He spearheaded the merger of the American Basketball Association with the NBA, signed a lucrative television contract with CBS, negotiated a historic collective bargaining agreement with the NBA Players Association, and modified the college draft. Under O'Brien, the NBA expanded from eighteen to 23 teams and in 1979 adopted the three-point play. The league championship trophy is named after him. Although O'Brien spent most of his professional life outside the world of sports, his contributions and impact on basketball's continued welfare will be his legacy.
  • The Sporting News Sportsman of the Year, 1976
  • Created NBA college scholarship program, 1980
  • Developed antidrug program, 1984
  • President, Basketball Hall of Fame, 1985-87

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Old 12-15-2008, 11:54 AM   #20
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Senda Berenson Abbott haha i had her bookmarked for today!!!! haha baastad

good one

you gotta be quick to the draw man! I dont know..I think your slippin gts
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:59 AM   #21
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I say it was the "Medieval" person who invented "Duck-on-a-Rock" which is what Naismith loosely based his game on.

Duck on a Rock was a medieval children’s game.

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One played with a good size stone (a "drake") placed upon a very large one or a tree stump. One boy stayed near it to guard it. The others threw stones (ducks) at it in an attempt to knock it off. Once it was knocked off, the throwers all rushed to retrieve their ducks. If one of them was tagged before returning to the throwing line with his duck, he became the guard. The guard could not tag anyone until he had picked up his duck at his feet, nor could he chase anyone till he, the guard, had replaced the drake upon the rock or stump. Recent findings believe basketball may be based on this game.
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March 5th, 1931:

WGL radio broadcasts the first game in the American Basketball League championship series between the Fort Wayne Hoosiers and the Brooklyn Visitations. It is the first professional basketball game to be broadcast live on radio.

(not positive if it is correct, but it sure is interesting)



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The first basketball patent was granted to GL Pierce on June 25, 1929. It is patent #1,718,305. This is its original drawing. Prior to the basketball, soccer balls were used



http://inventors.about.com/library/i...basketball.htm

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ihatetimthomas good find!!! how cool is that...
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+1 - that one is really cool!!!!



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The Origin of the Jumpshot

Initially, players shot with 2 hands and a flat foot. It wasnt even normal to jump when shooting. Only until Kenneth L. Sailors (Born 1923) developed what is now known as a "jumpshot" on his farm growing up as a child. He is known to be the pioneer of the jumpshot. In 1934, He had become accustomed to playing his older brother who was a foot taller to him, so he had to figure out a way to get around it. This new style of shooting became near unstoppable against taller players and pushed Kenneth into becoming one of the best at his time and led him to a NCAA title. This then revolutionized how people shot the basketball.

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Sailors' older brother was a great basketball player — probably the best their town of Hillsdale, Wyo., had yet seen. He put up a simple hoop in the yard of their farm. And despite the five-year gap between them, he demanded that his younger brother play him.

To shoot over his brother, Kenny Sailors jumped — and shot the ball.

"It probably wasn't very pretty, but I got the shot off," Sailors recalled. "And it went in."

"You'd better develop that," his brother told him. "That's going to be a good shot."

So he practiced it. And when the NBA was formed in 1946, Sailors signed up with the team in Cleveland, then called the Rebels. And in those days, nobody jumped to shoot.

"Everybody had to keep both feet on the floor," Sailors said, "or the coach would take you out of the ballgame."

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Who was the first man to dunk a basketball?

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While the history of the dunk in women's basketball is well documented—from Georgeann Wells, the 6'7" West Virginia center who in 1984 became the first woman to throw down in competition, to 6'5" Lisa Leslie, whose breakaway jam on July 30 was a WNBA first—its evolution in the men's game isn't clear. Not even the research staff at the Basketball Hall of Fame is sure who made the first dunk in organized play. What is known is that the shot has been around nearly as long as the game itself (that means since the 1890s) and that in the 1940s Oklahoma A&M's 6'10" center Bob Kurland became the first college player to regularly use the dunk. Kurland jammed and slammed the Aggies to NCAA titles in 1945 and '46. In the early '50s, 6'5" Lakers forward Jim Pollard (a.k.a. the Kangaroo Kid) often amused himself by dunking in practice, but he never did it in games because NBA players considered the dunk a breach of etiquette. The shot only caught on after the 1976 merger with the ABA, where players like Julius Erving had been turning the dunk into an art form

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...6361/index.htm

Its pretty interesting that in a day and age where dunking is glorified, it actually used to be bad etiquette. Dr. J changed the way we look at dunks forever.
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First Basketball like game...

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The Mesoamerican ballgame or Tlatchtli in Náhuatl was a sport with ritual associations played since 1,000 B.C.[1] by the pre-Columbian peoples of Ancient Mexico and Central America. The sport had different versions in different places during the millennia, and a modern version of the game, ulama, is still played in a few places by the local indigenous population.

The rules of the ballgame are not known, but judging from its descendant, ball, they were probably similar to racquetball.[2] where the aim is to keep the ball in play. The stone ballcourt goals (see photo to right) are a late addition to the game. This later addition of the game changed the game entirely though, since an immediate win could be attained from them by tossing the balls in the ring, or points could be scored by simply tossing the ball so that it touched the ring.[1]

In the most widespread version of the game, the players struck the ball with their hips, although some versions allowed the use of forearms, rackets, bats, or handstones. The ball was made of solid rubber and weighed as much as 4 kg (9 lbs), and sizes differed greatly over time or according to the version played.

The game had important ritual aspects, and major formal ballgames were held as ritual events, often featuring human sacrifice. The sport was also played casually for recreation by children and perhaps even women.[3]

Pre-Columbian ballcourts have been found throughout Mesoamerica, as far south as Nicaragua, and possibly as far north as the now U.S. state of Arizona.[4] These ballcourts vary considerably in size, but all have long narrow alleys with side-walls against which the balls could bounce.
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