Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by AItheAnswer3
Are you saying that's a bad thing when they basically shot the same FG%?Not to mention Kobe had Shaq who consistently drew double teams while Iverson was the one carrying his team offensively and pretty much the only good offensive player. The 2nd option was Aaron Mckie who averaged like 12 PPG in the entire season. And according to the voters, Kobe didn't even have a better season than Jason Kidd. Kobe made the All-NBA 2nd team. The 1st team consisted of Iverson and Kidd. No hate on Kobe. IMO, the only reason AI was better was that he carried his team on offense while Shaq was the best player for the Lakers on both ends of the floor.
if not the biggest AI fan AI knows that but even i have to admit AI was the best player not just guard in 2001. AI was a bad man with his A5 remember that i got a par i was in 4th grade the legendary A5 prolly top 5 in GOATTEST basketball shoes in fact imma c if i can cop them again
but seriously tho nobody could stay in front of AI, like Wilt the nba called for a rule change to allow zone defenses just because of Allen Iverson because nobody could stay in front of him in a man to man d thats how you know AI was the best that year
Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by Gifted Mind
You would be surprised at how weak the competition for guards was in say 1976. Take a closer look at the year yourself and decide who was the best guard in the NBA that particular season.
slick watts led the league in assists and steals in 1976. the sonics made the playoffs with 43 wins while the jazz missed the playoffs with only 38 wins.
maravich could score-- but few would argue he made his team better when he played for the jazz and hawks
tiny's team missed the playoffs too
phil smith was good but rick barry was the leader of those warriors
Last edited by RainierBeachPoet : 12-14-2008 at 04:52 PM.
Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by nycelt84
Dr. J was never a guard, he played small forward. And in 1976 both he and David Thompson were in the ABA, and this analysis is strictly a NBA analysis.
This is absolutely true. I decided this one to be strictly NBA.
Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by RainierBeachPoet
i appreciate you defining the terms before you get started but i some clarifications.
you stated that the best players (guards) are made in the playoffs but you did not include this criterion in your definition. (or is it included?)
you stated that mvp/valuable players need the team but you also use that as part of the criteria for best (making an average team better). how does this fit into your schema?
a guard could make his team better AND not make the playoffs. where does a guy like that fit into these definitions?
you obviously place a premium on winning. but how about a guy who wins in the regular season but not in the playoffs. and vice versa?
I definitely give credit to players who even though they couldn't take their teams to the playoffs, if and only if they were able to keep their teams competitive throughout the season. There are numerous examples through out the years where I've done that. Playoffs sometimes gave a slight advantage, nonetheless players who at least played on teams that were in the playoff hunt all year were given credit. This is because there times where it isn't the players fault that he isn't able to lead his team to the playoffs.
With all that said, players who lead teams to 20 win seasons I generally neglect. If you are to be considered one of the greatest guards in the league, you must still able to lead your team to a higher win % than say 25.
I hope this answers your question. Playoffs isn't a clearly drawn line often times when judging players. Making the playoffs one year and not the other depends on a lot more than just one player. Sometimes a lot more than just one team as well (conference level, competition level). So it would be really unfair to separate players based on playoffs or not. Just how competitive the team as a whole is able to stay throughout the year says more.
Last edited by Gifted Mind : 12-15-2008 at 12:53 PM.
Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by AItheAnswer3
Are you saying that's a bad thing when they basically shot the same FG%?Not to mention Kobe had Shaq who consistently drew double teams while Iverson was the one carrying his team offensively and pretty much the only good offensive player. The 2nd option was Aaron Mckie who averaged like 12 PPG in the entire season. And according to the voters, Kobe didn't even have a better season than Jason Kidd. Kobe made the All-NBA 2nd team. The 1st team consisted of Iverson and Kidd. No hate on Kobe. IMO, the only reason AI was better was that he carried his team on offense while Shaq was the best player for the Lakers on both ends of the floor.
Kobe having Shaq hurt his stats....And Kobe still put up better numbers offensively despite having Shaq. Still think he should have made 1st team All-NBA that year.
Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by Jacks3
Kobe having Shaq hurt his stats....And Kobe still put up better numbers offensively despite having Shaq. Still think he should have made 1st team All-NBA that year.
It would lower his PPG, but not his FG%, which the debate at hand consisted of.
Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by Anti404
It would lower his PPG, but not his FG%, which the debate at hand consisted of.
The debate at hand is whether or not Kobe was better then A.I in 2001. Kobe having Shaq hurt his PPG which is A.I's only real advantage. Besides, Kobe is a 46% shooter with or without Shaq period.
Re: The Best Guards in the NBA: A Year-by-Year Analysis
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Originally Posted by Shep
can i play? too ****in bad
1968
1. Oscar Robertson
2. Lenny Wilkins
3. Jerry West
1976
1. Slick Watts
2. Randy Smith
3. Pete Maravich
1979
1. Norm Nixon
2. Paul Wesphal
3. World B Free
i am glad you chimed in. two notables:
lenny wilkins
randy smith
good to see their names up there (as well as slick)
the one curiosity is w.b. free (known then as lloyd). i think that david thompson and even an aging calvin murphy were better guards eventhough free put up more points.
for those of us who had seen him, free was the definition of a ball hog-- especially after he left the 76ers. his teammates hated playing with him because they never saw the ball.
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