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Old 01-17-2009, 11:09 PM   #31
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It's idiotic that you think it's inarguable. Die Hard has held up way better than T2 and it came out 4-5 years before. First would be that it's not even original. Just took the same story as the first one. "Oh, but this time he HELPS them instead of tries to kill them."

Die Hard is rated 8.2 on IMDB
T2 is rated 8.4 on IMBD

Die Hard is rated 94% & 97% on RT
T2 is rated 100% & 95% on RT

The 2nd percentile is rated by the community.
I'd say they are very close, but I'd give T2 the edge.

Terminator & TDK is 1/2 on my list, followed by The Last Crusade.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:11 PM   #32
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Die hard has much better character development and action. There is great interaction between the protagonist and antagonist. Not a liquid robot that doesn't speak. Die Hard has great performances from the cop, limo driver, bruce, girl who plays his wife, the news reporter and alan rickman.

The effects have withstood the test of time, whereas T2 is starting to show it's age.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:11 PM   #33
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That would be a start. You're not facilitating this thread very well.

Says the guy who argues simply, "ZONKZ, It DIDN't HELP UP IS AS GOOD>"

Facilitate shutting the **** up.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:11 PM   #34
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Total Recall, Lion Heart, Bloodsport, Rambo, Crouching Tiger/Hidden Dragon, Hero, House of Flying Daggers are some other of my favorite action flicks.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:12 PM   #35
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Die Hard is rated 8.2 on IMDB
T2 is rated 8.4 on IMBD

Die Hard is rated 94% & 97% on RT
T2 is rated 100% & 95% on RT

The 2nd percentile is rated by the community.
I'd say they are very close, but I'd give T2 the edge.

Terminator & TDK is 1/2 on my list, followed by The Last Crusade.

Rotten Tomatoes ranked Die Hard as the #1 action film of all time.
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Says the guy who argues simply, "ZONKZ, It DIDN't HELP UP IS AS GOOD>"

Facilitate shutting the **** up.

Obviously I had more of an argument than that, but you're continuing to bring this thread down with your retorts.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:13 PM   #37
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Rotten Tomatoes ranked Die Hard as the #1 action film of all time.

It must have not placed T2 is an action film then, since they gave T2 a perfect score.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:14 PM   #38
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Obviously I had more of an argument than that, but you're continuing to bring this thread down with your retorts.



You still haven't argued anything other than personal opinion.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:18 PM   #39
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Total Recall, Lion Heart, Bloodsport, Rambo, Crouching Tiger/Hidden Dragon, Hero, House of Flying Daggers are some other of my favorite action flicks.
How is it that First Blood is only mentioned once in this thread?
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:20 PM   #40
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How is it that First Blood is only mentioned once in this thread?

Why are you quoting that particular post man?
I already mentioned First Blood, terrific movie.

No idea why I'm the only one to name it.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:23 PM   #41
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I'm going to throw in Casino Royale.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:24 PM   #42
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That's all this debate is you jackass. That being said I did bring up it's RT.com #1 rating. At least I've made an argument. You can't defend your selection, just ask me to say why Die Hard is better. Why is T2 better than Die Hard? So far I've said:

1) Die Hard is an original premise, while T2 is T1 with a twist.

2) Die Hard had much better performances from several supporting characters: Family Matter's Dad, Ghostbuster EPA guy, coke head employer, blonde 2nd in charge terrorist, limo driver, his wife...

3) There is tension and drama between the primary hero and villain as opposed to nearly speechless robots.

4) Die Hard's effects have stood the test of time much better than T2.

1.] Are you seriously that ****ing stupid? T2 gets knocked down a notch because It's a sequel? You're an idiot. I'm not even going to argue this.

2.] Look at me, I can name every single character in the movie and say their "performances" were better. Guess what? I can name just as many characters in T2 as Die Hard, but I'm not going to explode the bull**** meter and say they were great performances. Please.

3.] @ you believing you can only build suspense and tension through dialogue

4.] Quite simply, that's absolutely not true
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:24 PM   #43
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LOTR
Ronin
Predator
The Bourne Series
Star Wars


EDIT: Hey Deuce, we're talking Action and not performances. There is no better than Arnold on the bike with the shotgun with an 18-wheeler bearing down on him. Who cares if there was no dialogue?? My heart wasn't racing while McLean was talking with the fat guy cop sobbing over his life story.

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LOTR
Ronin
Predator
The Bourne Series
Star Wars

Yes! Great action movie, and just a great movie overall.
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I liked Ronin the first time I saw it, but I probably have never seen it again. I don't know why, it's definitely not a movie I'd place on my top 20 list of actions films.
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