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Old 09-23-2006, 04:25 PM   #1
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Default If Bird were in his prime (2006)....

give up on the MJ thread. dude wouldve dominated just as much in any era....

what do you see prime Bird (84-87) doing in today's NBA??

the other thread is just as ridiculous so i figured hey! might as well make one about Larry.

In 1986, Sports Illustrated called him the Greatest Basketball Player of All Time (however injuries and a short prime ended those claims pretty soon). 20 years later, does anyone think he couldve been shutdown?? an even better player??? would he rack up record breaking fines for taunting??
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Old 09-23-2006, 04:31 PM   #2
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He wouldnt be as good as he was but he would still be good. He would llok RIDICULOUSLY unathletic now...
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Old 09-23-2006, 04:34 PM   #3
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Im shocked at that statement raiderfan, we finally disagree about something.

To me, Bird is a combination of all the strengths of both Dirk and KG offensively while being about in the middle of where Dirk and KG are defensively, ie better than Dirk but not as good as KG.

Bird is one of those few players in history that would be a top player in any generation. Considering he did his thing in, easily, the best era of basketball in NBA history (80-93), I see no reason he wouldn't be nearly as good today.

Bird and Paul Pierce would basically guarantee the Celtics the ECFs.
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He wouldnt be as good as he was but he would still be good. He would llok RIDICULOUSLY unathletic now...

my argument for this comment is look at the past few TEAM USA defeats...

strong fundamentals, high IQ, and heart beating insane athleticism.

prime Bird would dominate even more IMO. a zone couldnt stop him, easier perimeter rules would help one of the greatest free throw shooters ever, etc.
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I think Legend would fare as well as he did then or better.

He was never about athleticism, yet he fared well against many athletic players. What a lot of people dont' realize is that being a great threat isn't always about athleticism, it's about knowing how to position yourself, reading defenses, knowing which spots to pick and a variety of other things unrelates to your physical makeup. It's how Steve Nash is able to dominate without being that athletic.

He had a mental toughness and basketball IQ that is pretty much unmatched in today's NBA.

Plus he could shoot lights out from anywhere on the floor. He was as good a pure shooter as anyone in the game today, but a much better player in many other facets of the game than any of the pure shooters today.

Legend would kill today.
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Im shocked at that statement raiderfan, we finally disagree about something.

To me, Bird is a combination of all the strengths of both Dirk and KG offensively while being about in the middle of where Dirk and KG are defensively, ie better than Dirk but not as good as KG.

Bird is one of those few players in history that would be a top player in any generation. Considering he did his thing in, easily, the best era of basketball in NBA history (80-93), I see no reason he wouldn't be nearly as good today.

Bird and Paul Pierce would basically guarantee the Celtics the ECFs.
One, he wasnt better defensively than Dirk, yes i know he made some all defensive second teams but everyone knows that was a joke. As for offense, he would be amazing offensively in any era but his defense would be more exposed now with more individual offensive talent and more one on one offenses.
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One, he wasnt better defensively than Dirk, yes i know he made some all defensive second teams but everyone knows that was a joke. As for offense, he would be amazing offensively in any era but his defense would be more exposed now with more individual offensive talent and more one on one offenses.

speechless wow man.....wow
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It wouyld definitely depend on his team around him. He wouldn't be playing with 3 HOFers by his side. He would still be good but would his team? I dunno. Could he have turned around the Knicks last year? I seriously doubt it. But I don't think anyone could have.

But he would have been just fine. I don't know if he would have been the best forward in the league but definitely in the top 3.
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Actually Cornbread Maxwell always joked about how he was the one doing all the guarding while Dirk made the all-nba defensive team. (And every Celtic knew it at the time too.) During their playoff years McHale would always guard the best low post player out of the forwards.

It wasn't a knock on Larry's defense as it was to say that he garner some of it by reputation.
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One, he wasnt better defensively than Dirk, yes i know he made some all defensive second teams but everyone knows that was a joke. As for offense, he would be amazing offensively in any era but his defense would be more exposed now with more individual offensive talent and more one on one offenses.
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Bird was not a good individual defender

But he was a great team defender...that was the reason he made those defensive teams, and he is better than Dirk at defense...
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Oh my god, stop comparing some of the 5 greatest players in NBA history, who played during the golden years of the NBA with the greatest competition the league has ever known, with the the watered down talent and over protective crap of today.
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Hey Raider

Bird was not a good individual defender

But he was a great team defender...that was the reason he made those defensive teams, and he is better than Dirk at defense...

exactly. altho one interesting thing was that defensively, Bird wasnt afraid of committing hard fouls. in today's game however those are flagrant 2's.
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my favorite Bird highlight clip on YouTube...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ULvo7__wwBU
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I think that Larry would fare well on offense... He was a great shooter. I would be concerned about his defense though. Larry wasn't a great individual defender and relied more on team defense. In today's game, SF's generally have good handles and are quick and have the ability to get their points on isolation plays, so unfortunately, that deficiency in Larry's game would be more evident.
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What many people forget is that Bird's 2 all-time favorite opponents were
1) Blazers
2) Hawks,
two of the most athletic teams in the NBA, with Drexler, Rivers, Wilkins, Kersey, Antoine Carr, etc.

If I remember correctly, he had 2 50-pointers (incl. his career-high 60) and an almost triple-15 against the Hawks, 2 40-point triple doubles against the Blazers, not to mention that 1988 series against the Hawks again.

Both the Jordan and the Bird topics are pretty much alike, with the exception of Bird's mediocre athleticism.
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