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Old 01-24-2009, 06:05 PM   #31
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Before Jordan, SG were usually 6''2-6''5, now they go up to even 6''8 or 6''9. I mean just watch every Jordan game, and you will see a few things.

1) He was generally guarded by alot shorter defender (2-3 inches shorter)
2) He was able to back his shorter defender down 1 on 1.


Kobe Defenders:

Durant 6''9
Lebron 6''9
AK47: 6''9
Prince 6''9
Battier 6''8
Chandler 6'8
Outlaw: 6''8
Marion 6''8
Pierce: 6''8
Posey 6''8
Johnson: 6''8
Harrington: 6''8
Bowen 6''7
Artest: 6''7
K.Martin 6''8
Bell: 6''5
Davis: 6''4


Jordan Defenders:

Russell 6''7
Ehlo: 6''6
Payton: 6''4
Ainge: 6''4
Dumars: 6'3
Starks 6"3

Kobe faces better more bigger, stronger, athletic players night in and night out against zone defenses (illegal in Jordan's day). All the elite defenders of the 80s were 6'4" and under.


Typical SG's jordan faced 6''2 -6''5, alot more white players
Typical SG Kobe faces 6''5-6''9, alot less white defenders


MJ faced the likes of Craig Ehlo, Byron Scott, Danny Ainge, Jeff Hornacek, Jeff Malone, Ron Harper, Ricky Pierce, Clyde Drexler, John Starks, Voshon Lenard, Eddie Jones, Vinny Del Negro, Rolando Blackman, Sleepy Floyd, Reggie Lewis, Joe Dumars, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, John Starks, Steve Smith, Gerald Wilkins, Bernard King, Reggie Theus, Ricky Pierce, Rex Chapman, Reggie Lewis, Hersey Hawkins, Willie Anderson, Vernon Maxwell, Nick Anderson, Tony Campbell, Reggie Williams, Nate McMillan, Rory Sparrow, Kendall Gill, Stacy Augmon, Dan Majerle, David Wesley, Rex Walters, Jim Jackson, J.R. Rider, Calbert Cheaney, Kerry Kittles, and Bobby Phills, etc


Kobe faces likes of Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Ray Allen, Cuttino Mobley, Corey Maggette, Carmleo Anthony, Jason Richardson, Manu Ginobili, Reggie Miller (post prime), Raja Bell, Allen Iverson, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Scottie Pippen (post prime), Richard Jefferson, Rip Hamilton, J.R Smith, Shawn Marion, James Posey, Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Raja Bell, Tayshawn Prince, Shane battier, Andre Kirelinko, Brandon Roy, Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler, Bo Outlaw, Kenyon Martin, Chanucey Billups, Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, etc


And yet none of those guys have 2+ finals mvp's but Jordan.
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:37 PM   #32
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this is going well

Q. how do you get a psychotic kobe, MJ or lebron groupie off your front porch?

A. Pay him for the pizza

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Old 01-24-2009, 06:42 PM   #33
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You have lost credibility with me when you mentioned Vince Carter and defender are we not watching the same VC.
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:45 PM   #34
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You have lost credibility with me when you mentioned Vince Carter and defender are we not watching the same VC.

When he tries hes a good defender, and against Kobe he tries. Believe me.
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:47 PM   #35
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MJ was defended by Bernard King?
I doubt that..and, if so, it would have been a broken down King.
I would like see that.
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:51 PM   #36
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:55 PM   #37
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First, you didn't prove anything. You didn't give a true average, you just posted selected examples. Unless you have the average height of every PLAYER who guarded both guys (who weren't always SG's), then you have no point. All you have is selective reasoning.

Also, here is a FACT that is not disputable: height isn't the determining factor of a good defender. Things like strength, length, quickness, footwork, etc are much more important than pure height and athleticism. There are literally dozens of players who are tall and athletic who are NOT good defenders in this league.



Then how is he the best? "He is the best unless he's pressured by a top defense ". Doesn't that mean he's NOT the best?

This is the point I made. Teams with smaller 2-guards would put their 3 on Jordan and let the smaller 2-guard take Pippen, because Pippen was out on the point so often. This was especially true in the mid to late 90's when Jordan really started to use the post game a lot.

But of course this guy will ignore that.

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Old 01-24-2009, 07:00 PM   #38
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When he tries hes a good defender, and against Kobe he tries. Believe me.

When he tried he was an average defender not a Ron Artest or Bruce Bowen but just VC.When i remebered him in his Raptor days it was Alvin Williams who was always defending the opposing teams better guard.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:00 PM   #39
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Regardless if you think shorter defenders are better or taller defenders are better, you can see that Kobe goes up against more athletic taller denders. That is a fact.

Also, you consider that kobe 2001-2004 played against BOTH zone and handchecking and his best season during that time span 2002-2003 .That is a fact.

Jordan only faced handchecking, not zone in his prime. That is a fact.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:02 PM   #40
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Regardless if you think shorter defenders are better or taller defenders are better, you can see that Kobe goes up against more athletic taller denders. That is a fact.

Also, you consider that kobe 2001-2004 played against BOTH zone and handchecking and his best season during that time span 2002-2003 .That is a fact.

Jordan only faced handchecking, not zone in his prime. That is a fact.

Your just unbelievably stupid. That is a fact.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:05 PM   #41
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Regardless if you think shorter defenders are better or taller defenders are better, you can see that Kobe goes up against more athletic taller denders. That is a fact.

Also, you consider that kobe 2001-2004 played against BOTH zone and handchecking and his best season during that time span 2002-2003 .That is a fact.

Jordan only faced handchecking, not zone in his prime. That is a fact.

The only fact is that you are too addicted to Kobe and will never get past saying, "Hey" to a girl.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:13 PM   #43
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When he tries hes a good defender, and against Kobe he tries. Believe me.
Good job avoiding my question and post.Why didn't u add posey,PP etc.. I know Posey and PP, marion,tmac etc.. gave Mj problems because he played against inferior defenders back in the day.They freaking shut down that old man oh wait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwhL...e=channel_page (LOl playing at 40 on broken Knees vs PP in his prime before he got fat and slow)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKS7u...e=channel_page (just incase u said that 25pts in the other vid isn't that good.Lets look at him before the Knee injury 2002 vs PP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp__L...e=channel_page (Shawn marion Aka Mj beaten stick)

Wow those Amazing defenders are killing MJ.He never had a chance.Ok lets Look at some hyped up defenders from this era vs a broken down MJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPsuzUZ69U (Mj vs Posey.)
Bruce bowen and Artest both said Mj was the hardest to guard.he was pass his prime too.LOL ur so called best defenders?
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:15 PM   #44
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Regardless if you think shorter defenders are better or taller defenders are better, you can see that Kobe goes up against more athletic taller denders. That is a fact.

Also, you consider that kobe 2001-2004 played against BOTH zone and handchecking and his best season during that time span 2002-2003 .That is a fact.

Jordan only faced handchecking, not zone in his prime. That is a fact.
I thought Clyde drexler was athlethic and tall.Did he shut down MJ?Zone can't stop Mj.Go watch the fuking 92 ECF and u will see.After u watch it then Come back to me.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:16 PM   #45
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Good job avoiding my question and post.Why didn't u add posey,PP etc.. I know Posey and PP, marion,tmac etc.. gave Mj problems because he played against inferior defenders back in the day.They freaking shut down that old man oh wait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwhL...e=channel_page (LOl playing at 40 on broken Knees vs PP in his prime before he got fat and slow)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKS7u...e=channel_page (just incase u said that 25pts in the other vid isn't that good.Lets look at him before the Knee injury 2002 vs PP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp__L...e=channel_page (Shawn marion Aka Mj beaten stick)

Wow those Amazing defenders are killing MJ.He never had a chance.Ok lets Look at some hyped up defenders from this era vs a broken down MJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPsuzUZ69U (Mj vs Posey.)
Bruce bowen and Artest both said Mj was the hardest to guard.he was pass his prime too.LOL ur so called best defenders?

Jordan = 41.6% FG, 18.9% 3PT in Zone era against better defenders .

I know he was old and past his prime, but if you will post his points, also post his FG% when he came back. Thanks.
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