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Old 09-25-2006, 09:05 PM   #16
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When Peter Jennings, a Canadian and fellow liberal, pointed out to Clinton that according to polling done with both historians and the general public that he was considered the 2nd worst US president of all time.

That doesn't make any sense... 2nd worse ever? No...
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Old 09-25-2006, 09:18 PM   #17
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That doesn't make any sense... 2nd worse ever? No...

He was listed by C-SPAN's 58 historians as 2nd to last in moral authority, next to Richard Nixon.

I mean how big of a scum bag do you have to be to try and feel up a grieving widow who comes to you for a job right after her husband committed suicide. What a piece of human garbage.
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Old 09-25-2006, 11:18 PM   #18
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Old 09-25-2006, 11:45 PM   #19
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His decisions were made almost entirely on polling data.

Oh you mean .. doing what the American people want?! I understand this notion of listening to the voters is kind of alien to a Bush supporter (or as we call them in the liberal-biased world of "reality": fascists!)..

And Bush will forever be known for:

- Sitting on his ass while reading My Pet Goat as 2 planes crashed into the World Trade Center and another into the Pentagon.
- Claiming that Saddam had WMD.
- Going into war with Iraq without knowing there was a difference between Sunni and *****e Muslims and the Kurds.
- A record defecit
- $3/gallon gas
- Failing to capture Osama bin Laden, the man that should be America's Public Enemy #1.
- Pissing off almost every single ally America has.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff, too.

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He was listed by C-SPAN's 58 historians as 2nd to last in moral authority, next to Richard Nixon.

There's a difference between being 2nd to last in "moral authority" and the "2nd worst president."

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Old 09-26-2006, 03:22 AM   #20
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Actually I think a few decades from now the main thing Bush will be remembered for is his absolute and utter indifference to the environment.

That and lying to the voters repeatedly, violating countless laws, disregarding human rights, creating a huge deficit, destroying americas image in the world, getting thousands of US soldiers killed for no reason, horrible disaster relief and the list goes on and on.

But I guess having an affair with your secretary is worse right ?
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Old 09-26-2006, 03:27 AM   #21
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When Peter Jennings, a Canadian and fellow liberal, pointed out to Clinton that according to polling done with both historians and the general public that he was considered the 2nd worst US president of all time. He flew off the handle and threatened his liberal buddy. His threat was seen by many as a physical or life threatening in nature. That Peter Jennings interview was one of many examples pointing to how big of a fragile ego he has and what nutcase Clinton is. So the meltdown he had with Wallace is not a surprise.

It burns Clinton to this day that he is the only president in US history to serve 2 terms AND NOT GARNER MORE THAN 50% IN EITHER ONE!

He was a smart cat, but didn't have an ounce of mental or ethical fortitude. His decisions were made almost entirely on polling data. No matter what he or anyone else says, his legacy will based on him wagging that finger in anger to the American public while lying his ass off. AND THAT IS A FACT!

You are a falkin idiot who in the middle of spewing out spin tries to pass it off as fact.

Let's examine all the BS spin that you have spewed out here from your partisan sources:

1.Peter Jennings a Canadian - irrelevant to your story and this thread, just added in to further the American misconception that Canadians are morally bankrupt liberals when in reality Canada is only fiscally liberal and actual as far as society goes much more conservative than the US. You only think otherwise because we apply logic to 'hotbutton' (see swing vote)issues such as gay marriage or abortion (which btw is easier to have in the USA than Canada).

2.Clinton was not a liberal either. In the polical spectrum he was a centrist.

3. 'polling done with both historians and general public'...lol! why dont you admit it came from a right wing funded group. Give me sources, give me the science and methodology behind the polling. You cant because it is bunk. Just like all other right wing BS.

4. 'He flew off the handle and threatened his liberal buddy'. There is the 'L' word again, conservatives have tainted this word and now instead of progressive it means being a wimpy, anti-American, out of touch elitist, and now they use it all the time to skew reality. Face facts dickwad, Jennings worked for ABC, which belongs to the same company that wouldn't distribute Farenheit 911, but decided to make their own 911 movie with falsities all through it. The US media has been a joke for years, at least Clinton has the balls to stand up to a smear merchant and not hide behind Tony Snow like Bush, but then again if Bush had to answer for himself there is no way he'd still be in office.

5. 'Clinton a nutcase'. Yeah, in the same way George Bush is autistic. In fact I bet if we polled strangers who heard each of them talk on the issues for five minutes without seeing their faces, 99% would assume GWB to be autistic while maybe 0% would assume Clinton to be a nut job...but at least you are showingyour true biased colors here.

6. 'It burns Clinton to this day that he is the only president in US history to serve 2 terms AND NOT GARNER MORE THAN 50% IN EITHER ONE!'
I dont think this bugs Clinton in the slightest, in fact, FoxNews was created in 1996 to make sure a Dem never won again, that is how Clinton rolled. Besides, the sting that Bush one felt in losing is probably 100 times worse.
Since you love facts so much, name a president who survived more witch hunts than Clinton.

and since you are such a moral man, what is worse?

Getting a hummer at work

or

Starting an illegal war, which your own senate commitee saidyou lied to rush into and killing 200,000 plus Iraqis in the process.

tell me how your falkin morality works you hippocrite piece of shyt.

George Bush's whole MO is strictly to win votes and maintain power, and he will create false fears and kill 200,000 plus innocent Iraqis to do so.

THAT IS A FACT MY FRIEND

How do your twisted biased morals defend that?

If you ever asked 'Why do people hate America?' look in the mirror, it is because there are dumb people like you who wave the flag harder than anyone, giving the green light to greed and actually believe all the BS that comes out of your mouth.
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Old 09-26-2006, 07:37 AM   #22
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Old 09-26-2006, 08:05 AM   #23
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very definitely owned. but i doubt the guy will see it or understand. he sounds hopeless.

meanwhile from foxnews.com "we report, you decide" comes their take on the interview:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215607,00.html
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Old 09-26-2006, 08:50 AM   #24
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If you ever asked 'Why do people hate America?' look in the mirror, it is because there are dumb people like you who wave the flag harder than anyone, giving the green light to greed and actually believe all the BS that comes out of your mouth.


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Old 09-26-2006, 12:32 PM   #25
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He was a smart cat, but didn't have an ounce of mental or ethical fortitude. His decisions were made almost entirely on polling data.

Clinton did put a lot of effort into Public Polling. Clinton spent the most on public polling, ahead of even Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Although as much as Bush denies that he cares about polls, the Bush administration still spent about a million dollars during his first two years in office on public opinion polls. The difference is that Clinton discussed this data with his entire staff and quoted numbers for Congress (in the tradition of LBJ). Bush, on the other hand, gives the information to only his closest advisors. They prepare a summary for Bush and then they lock the data away (in the tradition of every President from Kennedy through Nixon).

Also, one other difference between the way the Bush adminstration uses polls and how the Clinton administration used it. Clinton used polls on everything--eg "Where should I go on vacation". Bush uses it to see what phrases people best respond to--how to manipulate. Does the public like the phrase "Cut and Run", "Death Tax" vs "Estate Tax", etc.

Clinton spent 4 million on polling during his first two years. The Republican Party spends anually 10 million. Public Polling is part of the political system. Americans say that they don't want a candidate who relies on political polling, but then get mad when their voice isn't heard. I don't think you can really be critical of Clinton's use of polling (or Carter's, or Reagan's).
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Claiming that Saddam had WMD.
- Going into war with Iraq without knowing there was a difference between Sunni and *****e Muslims and the Kurds.

There was plenty of intelligence before the war which cast doubt on Sadam having WMD but they ignored it because they came into power predisposed to go to war with Iraq.

The fact that they are still claiming there was some link between Sadam and Al Qaeda is a joke. The two groups hated each other.

The Bush presidency has been a disaster and I don't see how the next administration will be able to clean up the mess.
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JtotheIzzo absolutely OWNED CavsFan. Dont plan on seeing a response or rebutal any time soon, fellas.
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very definitely owned. but i doubt the guy will see it or understand. he sounds hopeless.

meanwhile from foxnews.com "we report, you decide" comes their take on the interview:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215607,00.html

To be fair, that's an editorial. It's supposed to be opinion. Although it does contain too much factually innacurate information for me to respond to. I need some time to wade my way through it.
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