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Old 02-17-2009, 08:09 PM   #1
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Heat president Pat Riley has said acquiring a point guard would be a priority in the coming days. The Heat could land point guard help by using either the roughly $700,000 exception it acquired from Memphis in the Shaun Livingston trade or the $4.2 million exception Riley said was part of the trade with Toronto. Miami Herald

There has been speculation that Miami has some interest in banished Indiana Pacers guard Jamaal Tinsley, but only if he is bought out of the two seasons remaining on his contract. Tinsley has filed a grievance against the Pacers and is awaiting a hearing. Other targets could include players with expiring deals, such as Oklahoma City's Earl Watson, L.A. Clippers guard Jason Hart or Golden State's Marcus Williams. Miami Herald

The Heat are prowling for a point guard. The two names I've heard the most are Raymond Felton and Kyle Lowry. The Heat are offering Daequan Cook, according to a source. ESPN.com

I'm pretty sure the rumor of Cook going anywhere is false. But out of that list, the only one I'd be interested in is Earl Watson. He has 2 yrs left on his contract and could really fill in at the backup PG, and I could envision him coming in and the Heat not missing a beat when Chalmers gets in foul trouble or needs a breather, he's that solid. But he's overpaid, and I can't see the Heat just acquiring him for free (exemption + filler).

One sleeper this article failed to mention was Damon Jones. He'd pretty much fit right into that $4M exemption and give the Heat better quality minutes at backup than Quinn. He expires this year and I could realistically see the Heat re-signing him for the vet minimum. He might even still have his house down here . And I'm sure Milwaukee would trade him for free.

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Old 02-17-2009, 09:38 PM   #2
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Dawg, I loved Damon when he was in Miami ... But lets be realistic, whats gonna seperate Damon from Daequan?! ... What is it that Damon can do better than what we've got in Daequan and Quinn at the moment? ... I don't see any upside in that. I could see where your coming from in tryna get a backup to Chalmers though, I just disagree.
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:06 AM   #3
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Dawg, I loved Damon when he was in Miami ... But lets be realistic, whats gonna seperate Damon from Daequan?! ... What is it that Damon can do better than what we've got in Daequan and Quinn at the moment? ... I don't see any upside in that. I could see where your coming from in tryna get a backup to Chalmers though, I just disagree.

I'm not saying to trade Daequan for Damon. I'm saying to trade the $4M salary exemption straight up for Damon. No players from the Heat need to leave at all.

He's the only respectable player I can think of that:
1. Would be given away for free without the Bucks having to get anyone back
2. Not be a total headcase or team cancer
3. Is right around the $4M exemption amount
4. Could be realistically re-signed for a low amount even if he does well

Of course there are probably better deals than this one I suggested, but I just thought it was funny his name never was mentioned. Of course if Riley can work some package of Yahkouba + Exemption for Watson, then jump on it. I just don't think Riley is that much of a magician. I also think it might put the team pretty deep into the luxury next season.

Just to make it clear.... The Heat need to keep Cook at all costs unless its a no lose situation (IE: Blount & Cook for someone like Artest & Aaron Brooks).

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Old 02-18-2009, 11:34 AM   #4
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You guys can have Watson. I think we would need more then Cook for you to get Watson though.
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You guys can have Watson. I think we would need more then Cook for you to get Watson though.



Sure why not? we'll give you Cook & you give us Durant.
Cook>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Watson

Blount, & a 2nd for Watson, & filler that expiers before 2010. Take it or leave it.
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I'm not saying to trade Daequan for Damon. I'm saying to trade the $4M salary exemption straight up for Damon. No players from the Heat need to leave at all.

He's the only respectable player I can think of that:
1. Would be given away for free without the Bucks having to get anyone back
2. Not be a total headcase or team cancer
3. Is right around the $4M exemption amount
4. Could be realistically re-signed for a low amount even if he does well

Of course there are probably better deals than this one I suggested, but I just thought it was funny his name never was mentioned. Of course if Riley can work some package of Yahkouba + Exemption for Watson, then jump on it. I just don't think Riley is that much of a magician. I also think it might put the team pretty deep into the luxury next season.

Just to make it clear.... The Heat need to keep Cook at all costs unless its a no lose situation (IE: Blount & Cook for someone like Artest & Aaron Brooks).




D Jones sucks now a days. & even back in the days could never play any defense. + that kick in the air every time he tries to back down his man is just retarded.
Then you have to think of the fact that using the 4 mill exception will push us over the tax, & Pat won't do that unless its for a big time improvement, & i don't see that being D Jones.
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So ESPN.com says the Heat is offering Daequan Cook for Raymond Felton or Kyle Lowry. Huh? Getting beyond the fact that Cook is better than either, Felton is an impending free agent, one that the Heat would not be in position to re-sign.

While several teams are carrying only two active point guards this season, it seemingly only would make sense for the Heat, which has a vacant roster spot, to add depth at that position. Should Mario Chalmers even miss a single game (which he hasn't to this point), there would be Chris Quinn and nothing beyond more heavy lifting for Dwyane Wade.



So where to turn? There are several options.



Trade market: Again, there is not much depth at the position in the league. The team in the best position to deal prior to Thursday's trading deadline, especially since it doesn't have much to lose at this stage, would be Oklahoma City, which has Earl Watson and Chucky Atkins behind Russell Westbrook. There also is Portland, which is carrying the depth of Steve Blake, Jerryd Bayless and possibly available Sergio Rodriguez. It is unlikely the Heat would look at something as big as Andre Miller or Baron Davis.

The buyout market: In order for a player to be available for another team's playoff roster, he must be waived by March 1. Among those who could shake free at month's end might be Stephon Marbury, Jamaal Tinsley and, yes, old friend Damon Jones.

The D-League: Put it this way, the best available Development League point guard, at least based on this past week's All-Star Game, might be Blake Ahearn. Been there; did that. There's also NBA veteran Keith McLeod down there.

From the sideline: Yes, Jason Williams has been hanging around AmericanAirlines Arena in recent weeks, but he technically remains property of the Clippers. Then there's Shaun Livingston, but mobility issues remain. Steve Francis also is free. But while the Heat still is paying off Smush Parker, don't expect it to open another parking spot.



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Sure why not? we'll give you Cook & you give us Durant.
Cook>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Watson

Blount, & a 2nd for Watson, & filler that expiers before 2010. Take it or leave it.
Damn, I didn't know he scored 10 a game. I'd trade you Watson for him straight up
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So ESPN.com says the Heat is offering Daequan Cook for Raymond Felton or Kyle Lowry. Huh? Getting beyond the fact that Cook is better than either, Felton is an impending free agent, one that the Heat would not be in position to re-sign.

While several teams are carrying only two active point guards this season, it seemingly only would make sense for the Heat, which has a vacant roster spot, to add depth at that position. Should Mario Chalmers even miss a single game (which he hasn't to this point), there would be Chris Quinn and nothing beyond more heavy lifting for Dwyane Wade.



So where to turn? There are several options.



Trade market: Again, there is not much depth at the position in the league. The team in the best position to deal prior to Thursday's trading deadline, especially since it doesn't have much to lose at this stage, would be Oklahoma City, which has Earl Watson and Chucky Atkins behind Russell Westbrook. There also is Portland, which is carrying the depth of Steve Blake, Jerryd Bayless and possibly available Sergio Rodriguez. It is unlikely the Heat would look at something as big as Andre Miller or Baron Davis.

The buyout market: In order for a player to be available for another team's playoff roster, he must be waived by March 1. Among those who could shake free at month's end might be Stephon Marbury, Jamaal Tinsley and, yes, old friend Damon Jones.

The D-League: Put it this way, the best available Development League point guard, at least based on this past week's All-Star Game, might be Blake Ahearn. Been there; did that. There's also NBA veteran Keith McLeod down there.

From the sideline: Yes, Jason Williams has been hanging around AmericanAirlines Arena in recent weeks, but he technically remains property of the Clippers. Then there's Shaun Livingston, but mobility issues remain. Steve Francis also is free. But while the Heat still is paying off Smush Parker, don't expect it to open another parking spot.



(Also, your Heat questions are answered regularly at Ask Ira!)

Felton would be nice as a PG. He'd probably even get the start over Chalmers? But losing cook would absolutely suck right now because James Jones is done and all we have is Quinn as a 3 point specialist, but he's not gonna get any mins. So I say keep Cook and develop Chalmers.
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Great current lineup, no change is a good thing. Heat ready to go.
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:33 PM   #11
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Well with James Jones out for the foreseen future... now I'm more worried about the starting SF more than anything.

Jones is out (wasn't that effective when he was it), Dorrell is out... Marion's been traded. We'll be stuck with Diawara in the lineup or Moon who doesnt know any of the plays.
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